msw2112 Posted August 7, 2023 Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 Upthread there was discussion about the Sabres rebuild taking 7-10 years and selling the fans a bill of goods indicating the the future is more important than the present. Keep in mind that the Sabres have rebuilt TWICE. First it was the Eichel/Reinhart/Risto rebuild, which failed, so there's now a 2nd rebuild, which is nearly complete. The first rebuild was short-circuited by Tim Murray, who tried to accelerate the process too quickly by trading away too many young assets, and then by Jason Botterill who made poor coaching choices. Adams seems to have the correct approach at this point. A good coach is in place and a lot of young talent on the roster, with ton more in the pipeline. I agree that the goaltending situation is precarious, but if Levi can be a good NHL goalie, and UPL can be an average NHL goalie, neither of which are crazy notions, the team should be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted August 7, 2023 Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Broken Ankles said: Better to receive a first round pick this year, than pay a first to take Karlsson two years from now? Maybe Karlsson is Chara and lives up to the length of contract but unlikely. The cap dump salaries are off the books by 2025, which probably aligns with their plans for trying to complete again. Still would have preferred a young prospect at least in that deal, But it shouldn't come from Montreal and Pens don't have anything good. Still feel like SJS got fleeced in this one. And they retain 1.5 mill next 4 years too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 7, 2023 Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 43 minutes ago, msw2112 said: Upthread there was discussion about the Sabres rebuild taking 7-10 years and selling the fans a bill of goods indicating the the future is more important than the present. Keep in mind that the Sabres have rebuilt TWICE. First it was the Eichel/Reinhart/Risto rebuild, which failed, so there's now a 2nd rebuild, which is nearly complete. The first rebuild was short-circuited by Tim Murray, who tried to accelerate the process too quickly by trading away too many young assets, and then by Jason Botterill who made poor coaching choices. Adams seems to have the correct approach at this point. A good coach is in place and a lot of young talent on the roster, with ton more in the pipeline. I agree that the goaltending situation is precarious, but if Levi can be a good NHL goalie, and UPL can be an average NHL goalie, neither of which are crazy notions, the team should be fine. I don’t think Tim Murray tried to accelerate the process “too quickly”, he simply tried to accelerate the process. and did it poorly. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted August 7, 2023 Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, Thorny said: I don’t think Tim Murray tried to accelerate the process “too quickly”, he simply tried to accelerate the process. and did it poorly. And we loved it. Until we didn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 7, 2023 Report Share Posted August 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: And we loved it. Until we didn't. I still like the ROR deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 4 hours ago, Thorny said: I still like the ROR deal Me too. Still think that not re-signing Jamie McGinn was a mistake. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Thorny said: I still like the ROR deal All anyone ever needs to see to understand why Murray failed is right here: Andrej Mezaros Andre Benoit Tyson Strachan Carlo Colaiacovo Cody Franson Justin Falk Dmitry Kulikov Taylor Fedun Im willing to give him a pass on Gorges and Bogosian, and maybe even to an extent with Kilikov. There were way too many clearance sale defenseman all over his rosters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 22 minutes ago, shrader said: All anyone ever needs to see to understand why Murray failed is right here: Andrej Mezaros Andre Benoit Tyson Strachan Carlo Colaiacovo Cody Franson Justin Falk Dmitry Kulikov Taylor Fedun Im willing to give him a pass on Gorges and Bogosian, and maybe even to an extent with Kilikov. There were way too many clearance sale defenseman all over his rosters. Balls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 44 minutes ago, SwampD said: Balls Messy balls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted August 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 15 hours ago, Buffalonill said: 19-20 they made the playoffs . That was the COVID year. Almost everyone made the playoffs. WE missed out on the playoffs by a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 7 hours ago, matter2003 said: That was the COVID year. Almost everyone made the playoffs. WE missed out on the playoffs by a point. You said 7 years ... it's only been 3 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 18 hours ago, msw2112 said: Upthread there was discussion about the Sabres rebuild taking 7-10 years and selling the fans a bill of goods indicating the the future is more important than the present. Keep in mind that the Sabres have rebuilt TWICE. First it was the Eichel/Reinhart/Risto rebuild, which failed, so there's now a 2nd rebuild, which is nearly complete. The first rebuild was short-circuited by Tim Murray, who tried to accelerate the process too quickly by trading away too many young assets, and then by Jason Botterill who made poor coaching choices. Adams seems to have the correct approach at this point. A good coach is in place and a lot of young talent on the roster, with ton more in the pipeline. I agree that the goaltending situation is precarious, but if Levi can be a good NHL goalie, and UPL can be an average NHL goalie, neither of which are crazy notions, the team should be fine. I agree with most of this. The only part I do not is the idea that UPL can be an average goalie. I have seen next to nothing to convince me he is anything but a subpar backup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 18 hours ago, PASabreFan said: And we loved it. Until we didn't. Yes. Fans love splashy moves, and they hate losing. Does that mean we are dumb, or weak-minded, or morally compromised? Or just that GMTM was accountable to us and to his boss for the performance of the team, which stunk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Yes. Fans love splashy moves, and they hate losing. Does that mean we are dumb, or weak-minded, or morally compromised? Or just that GMTM was accountable to us and to his boss for the performance of the team, which stunk? Yes, and yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, nfreeman said: Yes. Fans love splashy moves, and they hate losing. Does that mean we are dumb, or weak-minded, or morally compromised? Or just that GMTM was accountable to us and to his boss for the performance of the team, which stunk? Nah. There’s nothing wrong with fans liking splashy moves and hoping their GM has the aptitude to pull them off. Splashy need not have a negative connotation There are a multitude of proven, viable strategies. And also plenty of examples of those strategies being bastardized all comes down to who the captain of the enterprise is, who’s steering the ship. At the end of the day, the fans have tried asking and hoping for every possible scenario under the sun for over a decade and none have panned out, what we want doesn’t make a difference because we don’t make the decisions. We are the consumer: it’s up to the franchise, and only the franchise, to provide a product worth our time and energy Edited August 8, 2023 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted August 8, 2023 Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 Montreal's plan/rebuild is interesting to me. A lot of moving parts and a lot of rearranging. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out over the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted August 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Buffalonill said: You said 7 years ... it's only been 3 years No, it's 7 years...that was not a good team. Making the playoffs in a year where virtually every team made the playoffs isn't a valid measuring stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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