PerreaultForever Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 33 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: They are trying to win the off-season in the hearts of their own fans. Treliving wants to turn them into Calgary. Seriously, they are desperate to be "tougher" but they've just swapped out O'Reilly, Acciari, Schenn (who were brought in for that) for Bertuzzi, Reaves, Domi. It makes them a worse team than they were in the playoffs last year and their D is absolute garbage after Reilly and Brodie. They still don't have great goaltending either. They can be beat same way Florida beat them. Just forecheck hard, attack their D and watch the turnovers unfold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 I will say that I think it’s pretty cool for Domi to be signing with them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 30 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: Treliving wants to turn them into Calgary. Seriously, they are desperate to be "tougher" but they've just swapped out O'Reilly, Acciari, Schenn (who were brought in for that) for Bertuzzi, Reaves, Domi. It makes them a worse team than they were in the playoffs last year and their D is absolute garbage after Reilly and Brodie. They still don't have great goaltending either. They can be beat same way Florida beat them. Just forecheck hard, attack their D and watch the turnovers unfold. Bertuzzi just replaces Bunting. But it puts them over the cap and they have to somehow sign Samsonov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanSlinky39 Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, triumph_communes said: Toronto becoming easy to dislike. I like. Becoming? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 hours ago, kas23 said: Toronto is now $5M over the cap. Wonder how they’ll get out of this. Someone'll go on LTIR,… until the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, SwampD said: Someone'll go on LTIR,… until the playoffs. I thought of that, but at some point, it has to be tough pill to swallow for a player to be told that they can’t play until May, if at all. I guess they can have multiple players taking turns on the couch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 minute ago, kas23 said: I thought of that, but at some point, it has to be tough pill to swallow for a player to be told that they can’t play until May, if at all. I guess they can have multiple players taking turns on the couch. It will be Muzzin for $5.6. That wipes out Bertuzzi’ overage but if they sign Domi and Samsonov I have no clue how they solve that without trading Nylander for draft picks and then the team is worse at that point anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 The team still has to be cap compliant on opening day before the can LTIR anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 On 7/1/2023 at 9:01 PM, PerreaultForever said: Well you can scoff at this but it's a one year deal so it's another guy they can flip for picks at the deadline if the season doesn't go playoffs. Unlike Buffalo, Detroit spends their money and turns it into assets down the road. Unless they are drafting very poorly they will have an even deeper prospect cupboard than the Sabres. It is a plan. Yzerman has had five drafts as Detroit’s GM. The First was 2019 and he had 11 picks his second they had 12, Only 3 of those 23 picks from 2019 and 2020 have played in the NHL. So stockpiling picks is great, but eventually they need to turn into actual players. They finished ahead of the Sabres once since he became GM and were still 11 points behind the Sabres with all their UFA signings last year. This timeframe even includes the Sabres trading their franchise player and multiple other assets. The UFAs they brought in are going to block younger players from getting NHL Games, I think the Sabres Plan of putting the younger players in position to succeed is the proper direction. Scott Wheeler of the Athletic did have the Detroit Prospect Pool at 4th and the Sabres ranked 6th, but that did include Power, Quinn and Peterka graduating from the prospect pool into the NHL. Looking at the two organizations, which core and prospect pool would you want moving forward? Yzerman may be a great GM in Detroit, but he really needs to start showing it soon. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 The other thing that Yzerman’s annual turnovers does is upset the chemistry. Every team has some change but the numbers of UFAs in and out of there seem higher than most. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 Leaves are at -8M. How are they going to get around that? Marner for a pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Eleven said: Leaves are at -8M. How are they going to get around that? Marner for a pick? Matthews pulls a Tkachuk and tells them he’s not extending? They would have to move him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Ducky said: The team still has to be cap compliant on opening day before the can LTIR anyone. I forgot about that. They will probably have to move Nylander for picks and then move a pick to have someone take Murray. It will be messy. No way they will be a better team then they were. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, French Collection said: Matthews pulls a Tkachuk and tells them he’s not extending? They would have to move him. They wouldn't have to, but they'd be wise to, because they're not likely to do well with the Murray/Woll tandem backstopping a defense corps led by a guy who can't spell his own last name properly anyway, but they'll do what they do. I don't see them trading Matthews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: Yzerman has had five drafts as Detroit’s GM. The First was 2019 and he had 11 picks his second they had 12, Only 3 of those 23 picks from 2019 and 2020 have played in the NHL. So stockpiling picks is great, but eventually they need to turn into actual players. They finished ahead of the Sabres once since he became GM and were still 11 points behind the Sabres with all their UFA signings last year. This timeframe even includes the Sabres trading their franchise player and multiple other assets. The UFAs they brought in are going to block younger players from getting NHL Games, I think the Sabres Plan of putting the younger players in position to succeed is the proper direction. Scott Wheeler of the Athletic did have the Detroit Prospect Pool at 4th and the Sabres ranked 6th, but that did include Power, Quinn and Peterka graduating from the prospect pool into the NHL. Looking at the two organizations, which core and prospect pool would you want moving forward? Yzerman may be a great GM in Detroit, but he really needs to start showing it soon. In his defence, we did pick 1st twice, but I don’t think the draft hauls are really close. We’ve had 11 firsts and 9 2nds in the past 6 years. They’ve had 10 and 15. 1 Dahlin - 4 Raymond 1 Power - 6 Seider 7 Cozens - 6 Eidvinsson 8 Mittelstadt - 6 Zadina 8 Quinn - 8 Kasper 9 Savoie - 9 Rasmussen 13 Benson - 9 Danielson 14 Rosen - 15 Cossa 16 Östlund - 17 Sandin-Pelikka 28 Kulich - 30 Veleno 31 Johnson - 32 Wallinder 32 Samuelsson - 33 Beggren 33 Poltapov - 35 Tuomisto 34 Peterka - 36 Buim 37 Davidsson - 36 McIsaac 39 Wahlberg - 38 Lindstrom 41 Leinonen - 40 James 45 Strbak - 41 Augustine 53 Kisakov - 42 Gibson 54 Luukkonen - 47 Cleveland — 51 Neiderbach — 52 Buchelnikov — 54 Mastrosimone — 55 Hanas — 60 Johansson Edited July 3, 2023 by dudacek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 Laid out like that Detroit's prospect pool would be awesome for a team that's already established. It definitely lacks what you'd want for a team in their situation We have collected this very nice supporting cast of solid core pieces for, erm, Dylan Larkin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Flashsabre said: Bertuzzi just replaces Bunting. But it puts them over the cap and they have to somehow sign Samsonov Bunting was a big loss. I wish we'd signed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Brawndo said: Yzerman has had five drafts as Detroit’s GM. The First was 2019 and he had 11 picks his second they had 12, Only 3 of those 23 picks from 2019 and 2020 have played in the NHL. So stockpiling picks is great, but eventually they need to turn into actual players. They finished ahead of the Sabres once since he became GM and were still 11 points behind the Sabres with all their UFA signings last year. This timeframe even includes the Sabres trading their franchise player and multiple other assets. The UFAs they brought in are going to block younger players from getting NHL Games, I think the Sabres Plan of putting the younger players in position to succeed is the proper direction. Scott Wheeler of the Athletic did have the Detroit Prospect Pool at 4th and the Sabres ranked 6th, but that did include Power, Quinn and Peterka graduating from the prospect pool into the NHL. Looking at the two organizations, which core and prospect pool would you want moving forward? Yzerman may be a great GM in Detroit, but he really needs to start showing it soon. I haven't taken the time to investigate their prospect pool so I can't answer the which pool would you rather have question. If they are ranked 4th that's pretty good though. I know this year they took the guy I wanted - Nate Danielson - earlier than his ranking so I have to agree with that pick since I wanted him for us. Absolutely true that the picks have to turn into players and time will tell. They might feel more lower level development is the right approach. idk, but there are other teams that believe in this idea contrary to what Adams plan is. Which is better? Again, idk and time will tell. I don't buy into this "block" the young guys theory though. If the young guy is good enough, trades or waivers can get made. Vinnie Hinostroza didn't sign with Buffalo expecting to be relegated to the minors. VO didn't expect to get benched. If the younger guy is better he earns the spot period. At this point neither team has made the playoffs. imo neither looks probable for the playoffs next year either. Possible, but not probable. New Jersey's plan beat both. We will see which of Detroit and Buffalo gets there first, and then we can proclaim the better "plan". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Ducky said: The team still has to be cap compliant on opening day before the can LTIR anyone. Technically true but doesn't seem to be the way it works in actual practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrefanday1 Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: Bunting was a big loss. I wish we'd signed him. He is my cousin's stepson...glad he got a nice new contract and has achance to win big with Carolina but he really wanted to stay with the Laughs being a Toronto born guy. He plays hard and yes I really hope KA would sign him back before he signed with Toronto 3 years ago. Meanwhile Toronto replaces junk with junk...Reaves is a joke but he will fight Lucic every time they play. That'll be good for a laugh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 6 hours ago, dudacek said: In his defence, we did pick 1st twice, but I don’t think the draft hauls are really close. We’ve had 11 firsts and 9 2nds in the past 6 years. They’ve had 10 and 15. 1 Dahlin - 4 Raymond 1 Power - 6 Seider 7 Cozens - 6 Eidvinsson 8 Mittelstadt - 6 Zadina 8 Quinn - 8 Kasper 9 Savoie - 9 Rasmussen 13 Benson - 9 Danielson 14 Rosen - 15 Cossa 16 Östlund - 17 Sandin-Pelikka 28 Kulich - 30 Veleno 31 Johnson - 32 Wallinder 32 Samuelsson - 33 Beggren 33 Poltapov - 35 Tuomisto 34 Peterka - 36 Buim 37 Davidsson - 36 McIsaac 39 Wahlberg - 38 Lindstrom 41 Leinonen - 40 James 45 Strbak - 41 Augustine 53 Kisakov - 42 Gibson 54 Luukkonen - 47 Cleveland — 51 Neiderbach — 52 Buchelnikov — 54 Mastrosimone — 55 Hanas — 60 Johansson Sabres 7, 9, 13, 28, 34 picks stand out to me. I also think Power is better than Edvinsson. Detroit's issue is they are a full development year behind Buffalo. Next year they should be loading the lineup with 2-3 rookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Taro T said: Technically true but doesn't seem to be the way it works in actual practice. I was going to say this. Teams can manipulate this rather easy and because they all do this, no one complains 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 8 hours ago, dudacek said: In his defence, we did pick 1st twice, but I don’t think the draft hauls are really close. We’ve had 11 firsts and 9 2nds in the past 6 years. They’ve had 10 and 15. 1 Dahlin - 4 Raymond 1 Power - 6 Seider 7 Cozens - 6 Eidvinsson 8 Mittelstadt - 6 Zadina 8 Quinn - 8 Kasper 9 Savoie - 9 Rasmussen 13 Benson - 9 Danielson 14 Rosen - 15 Cossa 16 Östlund - 17 Sandin-Pelikka 28 Kulich - 30 Veleno 31 Johnson - 32 Wallinder 32 Samuelsson - 33 Beggren 33 Poltapov - 35 Tuomisto 34 Peterka - 36 Buim 37 Davidsson - 36 McIsaac 39 Wahlberg - 38 Lindstrom 41 Leinonen - 40 James 45 Strbak - 41 Augustine 53 Kisakov - 42 Gibson 54 Luukkonen - 47 Cleveland — 51 Neiderbach — 52 Buchelnikov — 54 Mastrosimone — 55 Hanas — 60 Johansson I like the Sabres drafting much more then Detroit’s 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 12 hours ago, shrader said: I will say that I think it’s pretty cool for Domi to be signing with them. His father is one of the most beloved Leaves ever. The fans in The Great Satan have been clamouring for Max to be a Leaf since he was drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 10 hours ago, Randall Flagg said: Laid out like that Detroit's prospect pool would be awesome for a team that's already established. It definitely lacks what you'd want for a team in their situation We have collected this very nice supporting cast of solid core pieces for, erm, Dylan Larkin 3 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Sabres 7, 9, 13, 28, 34 picks stand out to me. I also think Power is better than Edvinsson. Detroit's issue is they are a full development year behind Buffalo. Next year they should be loading the lineup with 2-3 rookies. Last year, 5 of their 25 picks were NHL regulars. Meanwhile, 8 of the Sabres 20 have hit and a 9th prospect-turned NHLer, Krebs was added through trade. Despite that, the cream of our next wave: Levi/Benson/Savoie/Kulich/Östlund/Rosen still stacks up favourably to their Eidvinsson/Danielson/Kasper/Cossa/Sandin-Pelikka But another issue, like @Randall Flagg points out, is star power: we have Dahlin and Thompson who have broken out as legitimate studs, Skinner and Tuch who are close, and Power and Cozens who legitimately look like they are coming. They have Larkin, who is close and Seider who no one doubts. Not only have we hit on a higher percentage but overall, their ceilings look shinier. Now there is still time for Eidvinsson and Raymond to turn into perennial all-stars, but that is equally true of Levi and Quinn. The develop part matters just as much as the draft and you need a bit of luck as well. So far Detroit seems to be falling short. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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