Randall Flagg Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Jokiharju is fun because he's this year's Pilut, but is capable of putting out the best game Pilut has ever had (home vs. Toronto) every night. And Pilut still exists in Rochester. Our depth is real and it feels good man 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Doohickie said: Why? Didn't they tell him "get a house"? I used to be a huge baseball fan. I will never forget the red Sox signed a pitcher named Bronson Arroyo to a new multi year deal. he gave them a home town discount to stay with the Sox. It was like a month later they traded him to Cincinnati. I would not put a lot of weight into the buy a house comment. By this is that there will be no loyalties to any player. If there is a good deal to be made they will do it, regardless of what they just said to the media Edited October 18, 2019 by miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Risto is probably the 2nd most 'talented' D-man on this team Risto is playing a lot better so far early this year. Risto supposedly is 'happier' now than he was last year Risto said RK is his best/favorite coach he ever had in the NHL.... With all that said, I still see Risto as making more mistakes on the ice than any other D-man on this team. He still is on the ice for more goals against than any other D-man. Is that a function of his minutes again? Maybe...but I for one am not in the 'all is well' camp with him. I'd still like to see him moved. Move Montour into this group...keep everyone else the same...Scandella plays this year and comes off the books next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Buff Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Brawndo said: Montour could get a conditioning assignment in Rochester to buy some more time. Yes thats what i think happens too. For Bogo as well whenever he's ready. Only makes sense that you'd want to get these guys coming off injuries time to get up to game speed. Barring other unforeseen injuries of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektorado Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Brawndo said: Montour could get a conditioning assignment in Rochester to buy some more time. I don't see why this would not happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Cheektorado said: I don't see why this would not happen. I think the player has to agree to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Buff Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: With all that said, I still see Risto as making more mistakes on the ice than any other D-man on this team. He still is on the ice for more goals against than any other D-man. Is that a function of his minutes again? Maybe...but I for one am not in the 'all is well' camp with him. I'd still like to see him moved. Move Montour into this group...keep everyone else the same...Scandella plays this year and comes off the books next year. I don't think many are in the "all is well' camp with Risto. There's definitely areas of his game that could stand to be improved upon. But he offers something that nobody else provides on our back end. That strong physical presence that dishes out the physicality & doesn't just take it all game long. I think a D core needs a mix of physical players & offensive players. If Risto is taken out of the equation, our d core looks a lot more wimpy. Just my opinion of course ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Doohickie said: Why? Didn't they tell him "get a house"? If that’s true then it probably means that they plan to play him regularly. I can’t see the sense of having a 20 yr old ride the bench. He needs to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, WildCard said: In about a week we're going to have to confront the issue of an overloaded RH d corpse and 3 guys that are playing pretty well on that side; so what happens when Montour comes back? I really don't want Jokiharju going anywhere, and with McCabe having the A I doubt he sits. So it's either Scandella, or Jokiharju IMO 3 hours ago, dudacek said: RHD corpse? Is this about Bogosian? Friedman seemed to hint that Botterill is exploring options for other guys beyond Risto and seeing where the best value is. If you can get Ehlers for Montour, but not Risto, does that make you move Montour? Does someone out there love McCabe, or regret not offering more for Miller? What is the market for Scandy? But the most likely solution is to send Gilmour down when Montour is ready, rotate your seven until the next injury arrives or Joker sits out too much and wait until the deadline, or someone gets desperate for D. I thought the exact same thing. The obvious answer is Joker gets sent down, but I don’t think that is the answer. There is no cap or roster ramifications to his returning since he isn’t on LTIR and we are only carrying 22 players. The only question is who does he send to the press box. At this time my guess would be Scandella with Miller shifting to LHD and partnering with Joker. However it could all depend on how who is nicked up, who is going well and who isn’t and how he wants to deploy Montour. His return doesn’t force Jbot to make a trade, but it doesn’t preclude one either if the right deal comes along. Edited October 18, 2019 by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Doohickie said: Gilmour goes down. Joki rotates in to give other D a rest. Not concerned over Gilmour but I don't think you want Joki to sit out games. I think it makes more sense to send him down (even though he has been good) to keep playing and working on his game. Young players need to play, not sit. So I think you send him down until you make a deal to trade one veteran away somewhere for something.......... The buy a house thing doesn't matter. You just sit down with the guy when you send him and tell him it's temporary and he will be back up very soon. That's the whole point of having a farm team close to the big club isn't it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: Not concerned over Gilmour but I don't think you want Joki to sit out games. I think it makes more sense to send him down (even though he has been good) to keep playing and working on his game. Young players need to play, not sit. So I think you send him down until you make a deal to trade one veteran away somewhere for something.......... The buy a house thing doesn't matter. You just sit down with the guy when you send him and tell him it's temporary and he will be back up very soon. That's the whole point of having a farm team close to the big club isn't it? I would be very interested to see the analytic stats for Henri Jokiharju to date. I don't believe he's going anywhere based on his play to date, granted, small in size. But still, I think the stats, analytics and contract cost/control are going to be significant factors to him going nowhere. I'm new to the analytics side of it, just reading on it in the past year or so, but people are turning to them more and more I've noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 This is a great “problem” to have. Joker is doing quite well playing with Scandinella, who is also playing well. Montour makes 7 solid NHL defensemen plus Bogo. A notch down we have Pilut and Gilmour. Another notch down we have Nelson and Borgen as well We still need a few forwards so things will get interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Bogo isn't playing for buffalo this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyK Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 hours ago, MillerVaive said: I don't think many are in the "all is well' camp with Risto. There's definitely areas of his game that could stand to be improved upon. But he offers something that nobody else provides on our back end. That strong physical presence that dishes out the physicality & doesn't just take it all game long. I think a D core needs a mix of physical players & offensive players. If Risto is taken out of the equation, our d core looks a lot more wimpy. Just my opinion of course ? And Risto plays almost every game each year..which is important, and Risto>>>>Scandella (who will be be gone soon enough) and For the record I like Scandella 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Bogo isn't playing for buffalo this season This could possibly be a thread of it's own. I've been telling people I know this for awhile. Falling on deaf ears though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Bogo isn't playing for buffalo this season Opinion, or did I miss something? He was initially due back in November and reports of possible setbacks haven’t changed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Scandella for Namestikov? Montour or Joki shifts to LD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 56 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Bogo isn't playing for buffalo this season I think that is likely true, but second half of the season if there are injuries you never know. I really think the guy to trade is Montour. The current 6 are clicking and you can get return for him. Then Gilmour is your immediate injury fill in with Pilut called up if/when there is a longer term injury. If we can't trade Montour for a scoring winger, I'd trade him for some muscle and a draft pick or prospect. But also, time is on JBot's side.He does not have to rush this, and can wait until teams weak on D start to panic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Trade Risto somehow and have one of RHD move to the other side? Not sure if thats actually done much or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Even though he’s injury prone, I bet Bogo plays more than 30 games for the Sabres this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Zamboni said: Even though he’s injury prone, I bet Bogo plays more than 30 games for the Sabres this season. I'll take that bet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, WildCard said: I'll take that bet Bogo games played 2014-15 ... 62 2015-16 ... 64 2016-17 ... 56 2017-18 ... 18 2018-19 ... 65 why would it be impossible to imagine Bogo playing 30 or more games for the Sabres? His contract is highly unmovable. Not impossible. But almost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Zamboni said: Bogo games played 2014-15 ... 62 2015-16 ... 64 2016-17 ... 56 2017-18 ... 18 2018-19 ... 65 why would it be impossible to imagine Bogo playing 30 or more games for the Sabres? His contract is highly unmovable. Not impossible. But almost. I haven't been playing super close attention, but this current thing he has sounds serious and very long term as far as this season goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: I haven't been playing super close attention, but this current thing he has sounds serious and very long term as far as this season goes. Huh? i guess I’m really out of the loop. I thought he was just healing from his surgery over the summer ?♂️ what the h e double hockey sticks happened to Bogo now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruppstahl Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 We fundamentally have too many guys back there. I expect some type of trade. If Risto was finally moved, things would make more sense, but I don't get the feeling he is leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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