Eleven Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Not going to happen. I don't even think Drew coasted. He just was what he was but happen to have one great year in 1 particular contract year (he had other contract years). I know we're all butthurt because some of the other stars had these crazy multi goal games to start the season, but Jack is already more than a point per game player so far this season. I think h(w)e'll be fine. Drew Stafford definitely coasted. Guy wouldn't reach his stick out for a pass 1.5 feet away from his skates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Jones Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 nah, Stafford definitely played before contracts and coasted after. Winnipeg fell into the same mistake we did and signed him after he tore it up for a bit after the trade. Boston was smarter, they got a little out of him for the playoffs but then said no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Any signers remorse from Eich? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Jack again needs to grow a set.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 I will say that every time we've all dumped on Jack, he's responded in full. This season is not lost after only 3 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Is no one else concerned that the new head coach doesn't think the guy is good at the goal-scoring thing? How many years of watching hockey on your resume? I will say that every time we've all dumped on Jack, he's responded in full. This season is not lost after only 3 games. I hope he responds in full this time. Also hope we don't need repeated dumps to get a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Drew Stafford definitely coasted. Guy wouldn't reach his stick out for a pass 1.5 feet away from his skates. Well Jack uses a long stick so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Well played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I don't think Eichel is pulling a Stafford, but he will coast when he feels its a lost cause. The quitting/excuse attitude runs deep on this team and needs to be purged. This just can't be true. I have it on good authority that Eichel hates to lose and something something carry the team on his back with his undeniable will or some such. I guess we'll have to wait for the real savior, Casey Mittelstadt, to come and save this team. Well Jack uses a long stick so.... Just another example of his laziness I'd venture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 How many years of watching hockey on your resume? Does Sabres hockey count? So I guess I'm just not sophisticated enough to realize that a 10 million a year hockey player who can't beat the goalie one on one is no big deal. Are you saying this guy's a one-trick pony or somethin'? (It's fun to hear "one-trick pony or somethin'" in Matt Damon's voice from Good Will Hunting.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 This just can't be true. I have it on good authority that Eichel hates to lose and something something carry the team on his back with his undeniable will or some such. I guess we'll have to wait for the real savior, Casey Mittelstadt, to come and save this team. Just another example of his laziness I'd venture. He does hate to lose. Doesn't mean he knows how to win apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 He does hate to lose. Doesn't mean he knows how to win apparently. No worries. Mittelstadt will show him how. Unfortunately we have to wait at least a year for him to grace us with his presence. Until then, I'll have to cuddle up next to my Casey Mittelstadt night light and dry my tears after every loss on my Casey Mittelstadt jammies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckinFL Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 He does hate to lose. Doesn't mean he knows how to win apparently. Quote for truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 He does hate to lose. Doesn't mean he knows how to win apparently. This is just so well put. He's going to have to learn it. He's had success everywhere because of his skill, not because of his perseverance. There's another level he has to get to and someone needs to get him to believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 This is just so well put. He's going to have to learn it. He's had success everywhere because of his skill, not because of his perseverance. There's another level he has to get to and someone needs to get him to believe it. This gets back to my previous comments about Jack needing someone to actually coach him. Bylsma wasn't that guy. I hope Housley is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Jones Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I didn't realize ROR is making $9 million this season. That is ridiculous, even if he was playing decently. Murray really screwed up this team. And now Jack will have $10 million a year. Coaching isn't going to help, if these guys don't play to earn that money this team has zero chance of improving at all, and you wont' even be able to trade them if you wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I didn't realize ROR is making $9 million this season. That is ridiculous, even if he was playing decently. Murray really screwed up this team. And now Jack will have $10 million a year. Coaching isn't going to help, if these guys don't play to earn that money this team has zero chance of improving at all, and you wont' even be able to trade them if you wanted to. I said that last season when we spent 80 mill in real $. We received no value (I term value at $1 to $100,000 per point for forwards; the lower the better) on any contracts last season except Jack and Sam. Now Jack is going to make $10 mill. He needs to put up 100 pionts to come close to justifying his cost. While Jack and Co may not have liked DD's system, TP looked at the return on his investment in salary $ and saw the albatros contracts of KO, ROR, BOGO, and MOULSON and fired TM also. Last season of the non-elc players Big Z (and his 16 pts) was best at $71k per point. Foligno was next at $97K per point. No other regular (non-ELC) Sabres forward was under $100K per point. None. Kane was 3rd a 122K per point. Okposo was $133k, ROR $136, and Moulson $156k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 I think 125k is a better valuation at today's nhl scoring rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Jones Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Yup, unlike the old days, they spend money now, but they don't spend it wisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Yup, unlike the old days, they spend money now, but they don't spend it wisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I didn't realize ROR is making $9 million this season. That is ridiculous, even if he was playing decently. Murray really screwed up this team. And now Jack will have $10 million a year. Coaching isn't going to help, if these guys don't play to earn that money this team has zero chance of improving at all, and you wont' even be able to trade them if you wanted to. From bumbling last place team to a bumbling last place team? Sounds like maintaining status quo at worst.. How much chance does the team have of improving if ROR and Jack play to their salaries? Is it greater than 50%? How much more can they improve? If it's less than 50% or they can't become a playoff team then they won't be tradeable so you should probably nestle yourself in for a long winter's nap.. say October to March each year for the next 6. If it's greater than 50% and you believe they can become a playoff team then Murray really didn't screw up the team... did he? I don't know.. you sound like you need a break for your own sanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Jones Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I took a break today. Watched the Hawks beat the Habs in Montreal's home opener. Decent hockey with good efforts. Saw the end of the Flyers playing the Preds. Flyers got screwed at the end by the refs but that was a high energy game in the 3rd. Flyers seem to be vastly improved from last year. Their draft picks looked good. Patrick (2nd overall) looks much better than Reinhart did at this stage of his career. The luck of placing well in the lottery, but also better drafting. Decent hockey, it was refreshing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I said that last season when we spent 80 mill in real $. We received no value (I term value at $1 to $100,000 per point for forwards; the lower the better) on any contracts last season except Jack and Sam. Now Jack is going to make $10 mill. He needs to put up 100 pionts to come close to justifying his cost. While Jack and Co may not have liked DD's system, TP looked at the return on his investment in salary $ and saw the albatros contracts of KO, ROR, BOGO, and MOULSON and fired TM also. Last season of the non-elc players Big Z (and his 16 pts) was best at $71k per point. Foligno was next at $97K per point. No other regular (non-ELC) Sabres forward was under $100K per point. None. Kane was 3rd a 122K per point. Okposo was $133k, ROR $136, and Moulson $156k. Real $'s are irrelevant. We have an owner who will write the checks, no matter what. The Sabres are cap-strapped, not $-strapped. O'Reilly is using $7.5M of the $75M that we are able to "spend" on players. The best measure of value would be points/%cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I took a break today. Watched the Hawks beat the Habs in Montreal's home opener. Decent hockey with good efforts. Saw the end of the Flyers playing the Preds. Flyers got screwed at the end by the refs but that was a high energy game in the 3rd. Flyers seem to be vastly improved from last year. Their draft picks looked good. Patrick (2nd overall) looks much better than Reinhart did at this stage of his career. The luck of placing well in the lottery, but also better drafting. Decent hockey, it was refreshing. I have to admit to not watching other teams. But I do see a fair share of game highlights. I also hear numerous posters on here talk about how NHL hockey looks compared to Sabres hockey. There's the eye test of the last two games, as fellow conference mediocrities Islanders and Devils skated circles around us. You are right. The fans do deserve better, except they put their stamp of approval on it year after year. "Hard working" and "blue collar" and "hard hat" and "tough D" have played well for years in Buffalo. Owners have loved it, because it's a cheaper product to put on the ice. Do we hate offensive talent or something? Mogilny? Satan? Vanek? Or just xenophobic? How many fans had no problem with Housley benching our 10-million-dollar man for the shootout? Phil, who certainly knows how the game is played in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I watched the Red Wings - Stars game yesterday. The Wings look to be a shell of their former dynastic selves, but even they put up a good fight against the Stars. But the game had flow and was okay to watch. The Sabres looked like that against the Habs, but not since. I still tend to think it's a question of adapting to the new system. The Sabres are still thinking too much and the hesitation is costing them. Hopefully when they finally get it they will be able to get into the playoff race. I'm not overly optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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