dudacek Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 All conventional thinking screams to stay the course. But Tim Murray certainly has shown a propensity to go big or go home. If he has any doubts about Dan, if he believes Claude is elite, you need to strike while the iron is hot. If there ever was a time for ZFG, this is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Damn it all. I would love to see the Sabres hire Julien. I can't abide the thought of another year or more of Hot Dreary Daniel. Had Bylsma been fired during the AS break like he should've, there'd be no reason this couldn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 All conventional thinking screams to stay the course. But Tim Murray certainly has shown a propensity to go big or go home. If he has any doubts about Dan, if he believes Claude is elite, you need to strike while the iron is hot. If there ever was a time for ZFG, this is it. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Does GMTM have full control of the coaching situation? Or is he at the mercy of Terry (like Whaley)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 All conventional thinking screams to stay the course. But Tim Murray certainly has shown a propensity to go big or go home. If he has any doubts about Dan, if he believes Claude is elite, you need to strike while the iron is hot. If there ever was a time for ZFG, this is it. Except he's not calling the shots in our flat management structure where nobody has a monopoly on hockey knowledge. If you really think Murray has the authority to shitcan DB and hire CJ without Terry and Russ signing off I'd say you're mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Except he's not calling the shots in our flat management structure where nobody has a monopoly on hockey knowledge. If you really think Murray has the authority to shitcan DB and hire CJ without Terry and Russ signing off I'd say you're mistaken. I would expect the owner of any NHL team would have to sign off on the firing of a coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Does GMTM have full control of the coaching situation? Or is he at the mercy of Terry (like Whaley)? Terry, Kim, and Russ most likely. I really doubt Murray has the ability to make a move like that without their approval. I would expect the owner of any NHL team would have to sign off on the firing of a coach. I imagine some GM's have the authority to do so and others get to make the decision but have to let the owner know first just to keep them in the loop rather than having to ask permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 So everyone knows this isn't really happening right? When has a major league sports team ever fired a coach because another became available mid-season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Apparently the Ducks fired Carlyle to hire Boudreau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Does GMTM have full control of the coaching situation? Or is he at the mercy of Terry (like Whaley)? Hmmmm. Except he's not calling the shots in our flat management structure where nobody has a monopoly on hockey knowledge. If you really think Murray has the authority to shitcan DB and hire CJ without Terry and Russ signing off I'd say you're mistaken. *SIgh* Yeah. I would expect the owner of any NHL team would have to sign off on the firing of a coach. Maybe. But where's that quote from Nashville GM, who talked about how he had to figure out how to explain to his owner, after the fact, that he had traded away the face of the franchise? So everyone knows this isn't really happening right? When has a major league sports team ever fired a coach because another became available mid-season? Never. Which means: IT'S (OVER!) DUE TO HAPPEN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 So everyone knows this isn't really happening right? When has a major league sports team ever fired a coach because another became available mid-season? Agreed. If anything this happens in the summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 So everyone knows this isn't really happening right? When has a major league sports team ever fired a coach because another became available mid-season? Well not midseason, but before the end and with a coach in place, Joe Maddon and the Cubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Sexy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Someone from Sabres org gets in touch with Julien and says that if he is making his decision in the offseason and not jumping into another team right now, Buffalo would be very interested. Let's just hope Claude takes his time...which I think he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Except he's not calling the shots in our flat management structure where nobody has a monopoly on hockey knowledge. If you really think Murray has the authority to shitcan DB and hire CJ without Terry and Russ signing off I'd say you're mistaken. I have to believe the situation has been discussed prior to the Julien firing. If we're talking about it, they should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Julien is going to want to look at his options over the summer too Edited February 7, 2017 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Julien is going to want to look at his options over the summer too Maybe we can trade a 3rd round pick for exclusive negotiating rights? Ok, I'll show myself out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 I have hated the man for several years, I don't know if I could stop now. I don't think Murray's outlook on Bylsma matches up with that of the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Dude. Hey man, it's not my fault our possession game resembles the intersection of toilets, excrement, and consumption of harmful substances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Thoughts:- Claude Julien is a very good and very structured coach. - He's had less and less to work with as the years have gone on. Look at their defense. Just look at it. The depth isn't there in the forward ranks either. Beastly forward Bergeron has been off all season, and has fewer points than Sam Reinhart. Jimmy Hayes played 35 straight games in their top nine without registering a point. They have 3 #7-8 defensemen dressing and playing with an old Chara, a rookie who is pretty good, and Torey Krug. - He has them playing the best possession hockey in the league, with the second-worst PDO. The goaltending isn't there and the skill to finish hasn't been there outside of two players, 63 and 88. - His power plays are regularly awful. Sometimes really good, like last year I think it was? But terrible this year. And didn't they only score 2 power play goals during their entire cup run? - Great PK this year. Top 10 2 of the past 4 seasons, and still higher than 15th the other two. - Puck. Support. It's why they possess the puck. - I drool imagining ROR and Samson playing that type of system. - How is he with the young guys? Tyler Seguin not fitting in? Pastrnak is getting opportunities and flourishing, though. This probably isn't going to happen for us, obviously. Florida literally doesn't have a coach right now, so that's an option for him. Mayyyyyyyybe if he wants to wait for the offseason, but that would require Murray being done with Dan, and I don't think that's close to the truth. Murray sounds content, and not ready to admit to being a seller, for some stupid reason. Even though his team has been bad all season, when injured or healthy. And by not firing Dan mid-season to hire Claude, he's simply continuing what is normal behavior in the NHL, can't get on him for that. Though, didn't the Ducks fire their coach and hire Boudreau in the middle of the season after Boudreau was let go by the Caps? Some team is going to be very pleased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 - How is he with the young guys? Tyler Seguin not fitting in? Pastrnak is getting opportunities and flourishing, though. Fwiw, I saw a Tweet to the effect that the FO people hinted today that Julien's refusal to play or give larger roles to young players was part of the reason for moving on from him. I don't think that was in any way meant as a shot re Seguin. But ... if Julien had a hand or role in that deal, that should count as a major strike against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Fwiw, I saw a Tweet to the effect that the FO people hinted today that Julien's refusal to play or give larger roles to young players was part of the reason for moving on from him. I don't think that was in any way meant as a shot re Seguin. But ... if Julien had a hand or role in that deal, that should count as a major strike against him. he would have no choice here...what would he do....not play Eichel, Reinhart, or Risto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eman Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Thoughts: - Claude Julien is a very good and very structured coach. - He's had less and less to work with as the years have gone on. Look at their defense. Just look at it. The depth isn't there in the forward ranks either. Beastly forward Bergeron has been off all season, and has fewer points than Sam Reinhart. Jimmy Hayes played 35 straight games in their top nine without registering a point. They have 3 #7-8 defensemen dressing and playing with an old Chara, a rookie who is pretty good, and Torey Krug. - He has them playing the best possession hockey in the league, with the second-worst PDO. The goaltending isn't there and the skill to finish hasn't been there outside of two players, 63 and 88. - His power plays are regularly awful. Sometimes really good, like last year I think it was? But terrible this year. And didn't they only score 2 power play goals during their entire cup run? - Great PK this year. Top 10 2 of the past 4 seasons, and still higher than 15th the other two. - Puck. Support. It's why they possess the puck. - I drool imagining ROR and Samson playing that type of system. - How is he with the young guys? Tyler Seguin not fitting in? Pastrnak is getting opportunities and flourishing, though. This probably isn't going to happen for us, obviously. Florida literally doesn't have a coach right now, so that's an option for him. Mayyyyyyyybe if he wants to wait for the offseason, but that would require Murray being done with Dan, and I don't think that's close to the truth. Murray sounds content, and not ready to admit to being a seller, for some stupid reason. Even though his team has been bad all season, when injured or healthy. And by not firing Dan mid-season to hire Claude, he's simply continuing what is normal behavior in the NHL, can't get on him for that. Though, didn't the Ducks fire their coach and hire Boudreau in the middle of the season after Boudreau was let go by the Caps? Some team is going to be very pleased. Randall, why can't it be us for once? Why aren't we going for a coach of his caliber? Again, I am not sure what GMTM sees in Dan that we aren't seeing. I agree with a previous post that playoff money would lessen the beat down of cutting DD early. Do you alienate and frustrate Jack even more? He's got talent but I do think it is being stifled by this system that we play. I believe if we don't step up soon someone will beat us to the punch once again (see Babcock) Hell GMTM was willing to waste a draft pick aggressively pursuing the right to speak with Jimmy Vesey. Be aggressive and hungry for once. I know it's been a long time since we've seen that in these parts. To me, this season as it stands now, is toast. Nothing to lose as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Fwiw, I saw a Tweet to the effect that the FO people hinted today that Julien's refusal to play or give larger roles to young players was part of the reason for moving on from him. I don't think that was in any way meant as a shot re Seguin. But ... if Julien had a hand or role in that deal, that should count as a major strike against him. I always got the impression the Seguin trade was mostly about management getting tired of hearing about the partying and whatnot. I mean, Julien had him playing with Bergeron, not exactly an unimportant role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Well, to be fair, this has happened -- and in the SCF, no less. Hence the statement given the core of both teams moving forward, I love Jack and Sam but they are not Crosby and Malkin. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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