WildCard Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 They aren't firing him. We all know they aren't. Murray has faith in Bylsma and until that changes, we get dreary dan Time to start the 2018 draft thread then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre fan Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) "My goal coming to the Buffalo Sabres was it was going to be a process, but be in the process of developing a winning culture and team. I think we're in that process right now, but it's one I have to be judged on. We fell short of where we thought we could be, hope we could be and I take full responsibility for that. " How the hell does he think he is creating some sort of "winning" culture or environment? The team looks beat before the puck is even dropped most of the time and certainly mailed-in points far too many times. I am seriously concerned that for whatever reason, Blysma, and TM for that mater, actually think that they are "creating" something here (other then a crappy lifeless team that doesn;t seem to care most games) "I don't know the narrative. We have conversations with the players about the system, we believe we're on the same page and have a good understanding of that system and how we play. So, I feel like there's not a disconnect. They're part of the conversation and part of how we play. That's something we all have ownership in." Obviously Blysma and his "system" will be her next season...can't wait for a rerun of this past season...yippee Edited April 11, 2017 by Sabre fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Status-quo. It's not about improving the team, it's about people doing the smallest amount possible that still ensures job retention. It's growing increasingly unlikely that Murray is who we thought he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Status-quo. It's not about improving the team, it's about people doing the smallest amount possible that still ensures job retention. It's growing increasingly unlikely that Murray is who we thought he was. Yeah, now that I know he wasn't giving Bylsma the rest of the season out of some misguided form of respect, Murray really looks like an idiot. He's a talented scout in over his head. Edited April 11, 2017 by qwksndmonster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Since it appears we are stuck with DD, I want to see who is brought in as an asst coach to take over in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Status-quo. It's not about improving the team, it's about people doing the smallest amount possible that still ensures job retention. It's growing increasingly unlikely that Murray is who we thought he was. It's looking increasingly likely that my fears of Murray and Bylsma being on the same page have been well founded. What gross incompetence. Wonder how many more players Murray is going to bring in that don't fit what Bylsma wants to do. Fire everybody. Edited April 11, 2017 by TrueBlueGED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I haven't given up hope until I hear Murray say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I haven't given up hope until I hear Murray say it. Are you mentally prepared for a half trillion lame excuses that Murray is going to spew tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Are you mentally prepared for a half trillion lame excuses that Murray is going to spew tomorrow? I'm not. If he quits on next season then I quit on next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Replace as much of the 3rd and 4th line with some high energy defensively responsible players. That will ignite a fire under the top 6 and get this team going in the right direction. Teams feed off those types of players and BUF doesn't have any at the moment which is why they look flat pretty much all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 It's looking increasingly likely that my fears of Murray and Bylsma being on the same page have been well founded. What gross incompetence. Wonder how many more players Murray is going to bring in that don't fit what Bylsma wants to do. Fire everybody. This is so interesting. I definitely agree that Murray and Bylsma are likely on the same page, so why is Murray struggling so mightily to bring in players that can succeed in the chosen system? Is it that Murray isn't a good evaluator of talent? I thought that was his greatest strength. I fear that perhaps, in today's day and age, players able to have sustained, maximized success within the selected system may be few and far between. If Murray is at least an above average assessor of talent, as seems to be a common thought, he and Bylsma seem to be completely out to lunch in regards to their faith in the feasibility of their system as it pertains to achieving success in today's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Status-quo. It's not about improving the team, it's about people doing the smallest amount possible that still ensures job retention. It's growing increasingly unlikely that Murray is who we thought he was. I wonder how his contract extension changed him/his thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) I'm not. If he quits on next season then I quit on next season.Come to the dark, and red, side. Edited April 11, 2017 by WildCard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I heard they're truculent and herpes-infested. (I want Colonel Flagg to stay.) :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 This is so interesting. I definitely agree that Murray and Bylsma are likely on the same page, so why is Murray struggling so mightily to bring in players that can succeed in the chosen system? Is it that Murray isn't a good evaluator of talent? I thought that was his greatest strength. I fear that perhaps, in today's day and age, players able to have sustained, maximized success within the selected system may be few and far between. If Murray is at least an above average assessor of talent, as seems to be a common thought, he and Bylsma seem to be completely out to lunch in regards to their faith in the feasibility of their system as it pertains to achieving success in today's game. Evaluator of pre-NHL talent, sure. But he was totally unproven as a pro personnel evaluator. But even then, there's a difference between evaluating talent in a vacuum, and evaluating it as a fit in a system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) The only bright side about keeping Bylsma, if it indeed happens, is it's a pretty clear indication that Russ "ticket seller" Brandon isn't involved in hockey decisions. I like it, although Russ' nickname needs work. Russ "ticket booth" Brandon The snake oil salesman Marketer in Chief Russ "Con Artist" Brandon or just plain old F*** face Edited April 11, 2017 by Drunkard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I wonder how his contract extension changed him/his thinking. Doubt it did at all. Not a single interview he did throughout the season made me think he thought the problems were coach-related. Some of it even struck me as downright bunker mentality. I was hoping that's just what a GM says during a bad year (insert joke about a coach having "full confidence of management" as a precursor to being fired here), but it's looking more like it was sincere analysis on Murray's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Doubt it did at all. Not a single interview he did throughout the season made me think he thought the problems were coach-related. Some of it even struck me as downright bunker mentality. I was hoping that's just what a GM says during a bad year (insert joke about a coach having "full confidence of management" as a precursor to being fired here), but it's looking more like it was sincere analysis on Murray's part. I'm still gonna die on the hill thinking that TM just doesn't have the authority to fire DB so his comments are basically a hallow endorsement until somebody like old f*** face convinces Terry that DB needs to be fired or they can kiss the waiting list for STHers good bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Doubt it did at all. Not a single interview he did throughout the season made me think he thought the problems were coach-related. Some of it even struck me as downright bunker mentality. I was hoping that's just what a GM says during a bad year (insert joke about a coach having "full confidence of management" as a precursor to being fired here), but it's looking more like it was sincere analysis on Murray's part. To PA's point, it does seem to me, at least anecdotally, that Murray has developed a greater penchant for patience in building a good team relative to the "rebuilds don't have to take 5 years" line of thinking we seemed to hear more of when Murray first stepped in. Perhaps we inferred his intentions incorrectly, or maybe he's just run through his spendable assets at this point, but I suppose there's a not all-together unlikely chance that's he's grown more comfortable. As more time passes, I'm afraid the most likely scenario is in line with your view, True, that Murray is fully committed to Bylsma and his line of thinking, and that Murray is currently in the "it just takes time" phase. In which case, we likely aren't ridding ourselves of Bylsma without Murray going too, in a package deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 To PA's point, it does seem to me, at least anecdotally, that Murray has developed a greater penchant for patience in building a good team relative to the "rebuilds don't have to take 5 years" line of thinking we seemed to hear more of when Murray first stepped in. Perhaps we inferred his intentions incorrectly, or maybe he's just run through his spendable assets at this point , but I suppose there's a not all-together unlikely chance that's he's grown more comfortable. As more time passes, I'm afraid the most likely scenario is in line with your view, True, that Murray is fully committed to Bylsma and his line of thinking, and that Murray is currently in the "it just takes time" phase. In which case, we likely aren't ridding ourselves of Bylsma without Murray going too, in a package deal. I think this is a huge part of it, not just in the literal sense, but in the "it's easier to trade his (the predecessor's) guys than my guys" aspect of how most GMs operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 So who's going to start the 'Fire Murray' thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Are you mentally prepared for a half trillion lame excuses that Murray is going to spew tomorrow? He should have no excuses. This team was not good enough. I expect and demand a better quality team. Excuses are for losers who lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 So who's going to start the 'Fire Murray' thread? I'm going to start a New Owner thread at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I'm going to start a New Owner thread at this point Oh your just fine with Wirtz Corp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Oh your just fine with Wirtz Corp. Ya lost me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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