bunomatic Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 After watching Torts crash and burn in Vancouver I don't want him anywhere near this team. It seems to be a pattern. He is a fun watch at pressers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 This is really cutting edge analysis on my part, but I have never liked McLellan based on looks alone. Always looks like he is coming off a 5 day bender. Thats all I have on this particular candidate. :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 This is really cutting edge analysis on my part, but I have never liked McLellan based on looks alone. Always looks like he is coming off a 5 day bender. Thats all I have on this particular candidate. :lol: :lol: I don't know. It might be cool having an older Patton Oswalt coach the Sabres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 For theater: what's your (anyone) view on Phil Housley? Phil has been great this year with the Preds. He coaches defense (highest scoring group in the league) and the power play (average). I think he is ready for a head coaching job, but Murray will want a veteran coach. Babcock's situation is interesting. He is either working the Wings for a huge raise or he legitimately wants a change of scenery. I tend to think it is the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) IMO, no chance. Phil has been great this year with the Preds. He coaches defense (highest scoring group in the league) and the power play (average). I think he is ready for a head coaching job, but Murray will want a veteran coach. Babcock's situation is interesting. He is either working the Wings for a huge raise or he legitimately wants a change of scenery. I tend to think it is the former. Thank you both. I was asking about Housley to get informed views on him as a possible Head Coach in general, not with regard to our present opening. You both informed me. I look forward to seeing him as a Head Coach when the time and place are right. My anticipation is based on his history and personal story with deep US/Buffalo roots. With our young talent, I want an experienced, proven, winner immediately. Edited April 25, 2015 by Neo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Phil has been great this year with the Preds. He coaches defense (highest scoring group in the league) and the power play (average). I think he is ready for a head coaching job, but Murray will want a veteran coach. I don't want to give him too much credit. With Weber, Ellis, Josi, Jones, and Ekholm, it's not the he didn't have a good hand to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) I don't want to give him too much credit. With Weber, Ellis, Josi, Jones, and Ekholm, it's not the he didn't have a good hand to play. On the flip side: Josi went from good to great under Housley. Jones is talented, but he's only played under Housley. He's been as good as expected so far so Housley deserves credit for making sure the transition went well. Ekholm was a 4th-round pick and only had played 3 NHL games prior to Housley joining the staff and now he's a legitimate top-four dman. Ryan Ellis was an early pick that played 32 games in each of the two seasons before Housley... Since then he's looking like a guy that could put up 30-40 points consistently on your second or third pairing. He definitely deserves a good amount of credit for that defense. Edited April 25, 2015 by Hoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 On the flip side: Josi went from good to great under Housley. Jones is talented, but he's only played under Housley. He's been as good as expected so far so Housley deserves credit for making sure the transition went well. Ekholm was a 4th-round pick and only had played 3 NHL games prior to Housley joining the staff and now he's a legitimate top-four dman. He definitely deserves a good amount of credit for that defense. Completely disagree. Not that it matter to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Completely disagree. Not that it matter to you. So your stance is only that the talent was already there and his job was essentially done before he got there? Weber - absolutely. He was great before Housley was there. Josi - He was solid at best when Housley arrived... Now he looks like he could get into the Norris discussion. Jones - Very good prospect. Would've been hard to mess him up. I'm okay with not giving Housley any credit, but I choose to give him at least a nod for Jones not disappointing. Ekholm - Nope. He was a nobody before Housley came along. Housley deserves tons of credit. You didn't mention Ellis, but he was a high pick that hadn't done much yet before turning it on with Housley in town. Edited April 25, 2015 by Hoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Sorry if this was posted between pages 1-5, but one name that i havn't heard mentioned with us but to me makes perfect sense is Peter DeBoer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBHockey13 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 How about Phil Jackson? He's won multiple championships coaching multiple teams, and he admits he prefers the NHL playoffs to the NBA's. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/phil-jackson-nhl-stanley-cup-nba-playoffs-blackhawks-predators-timeouts-replays/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I don't know. It might be cool having an older Patton Oswalt coach the Sabres. lol. I just saw Patton Oswalt last night at the Moontower Comedy Festival. He was AMAZING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) So your stance is only that the talent was already there and his job was essentially done before he got there? Weber - absolutely. He was great before Housley was there. Josi - He was solid at best when Housley arrived... Now he looks like he could get into the Norris discussion. Jones - Very good prospect. Would've been hard to mess him up. I'm okay with not giving Housley any credit, but I choose to give him at least a nod for Jones not disappointing. Ekholm - Nope. He was a nobody before Housley came along. Housley deserves tons of credit. You didn't mention Ellis, but he was a high pick that hadn't done much yet before turning it on with Housley in town. I did mention Ellis. We can't prove if any or all those things would or wouldn't have happened with a different coach. I'm just saying he wasn't dealt Benoit, Mezaros, Strachan and Weber. I'm also of the mindset that terrific athletes rarely make good coaches. It came too easy to them and expecting player with 1/10th the ability to do what you did doesn't work. Edited April 25, 2015 by inkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I did mention Ellis. We can't prove if any or all those things would or wouldn't have happened with a different coach. I'm just saying he wasn't dealt Benoit, Mezaros, Strachan and Weber. I'm also of the mindset that terrific athletes rarely make good coaches. It came too easy to them and expecting player with 1/10th the ability to do what you did doesn't work. My bad on missing Ellis. But that's the thing with judging a coach -- the talent evaluator in charge of doing it need to judge whether his players benefited from having him as their coach or not. There's absolutely no way you can look at what he's done in his two years with the Preds as a negative. It's definitely a good piece to have on his resume, and I'm sure somebody will eventually give him a shot as a head coach due to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 My bad on missing Ellis. But that's the thing with judging a coach -- the talent evaluator in charge of doing it need to judge whether his players benefited from having him as their coach or not. There's absolutely no way you can look at what he's done in his two years with the Preds as a negative. It's definitely a good piece to have on his resume, and I'm sure somebody will eventually give him a shot as a head coach due to it. You are right, it looks good on the resume and its definitely not a negative. However, player development is one of the hardest things to evaluate and get a handle on. It's no different then the stories of Risto and Grigs. The narrative is that Risto benefited and the Grigs suffered but who knows if the results would have been different if they were handled differently? Its not like we can prove it either way, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 You are right, it looks good on the resume and its definitely not a negative. However, player development is one of the hardest things to evaluate and get a handle on. It's no different then the stories of Risto and Grigs. The narrative is that Risto benefited and the Grigs suffered but who knows if the results would have been different if they were handled differently? Its not like we can prove it either way, Exactly. That's why it's up to people that are paid big money to sift through it. I'm not advocating for Buffalo to hire him (I would be disappointed), but I think he deserves credit until proven otherwise. He hasn't had any real failures since joining Nashville. Every single defenseman that has played for him in the last two seasons has put up their highest career numbers in goals and assists except for Anton Volchenkov, Kevin Klein and Michael Del Zotto. Volchenkov can't be held against him. Klein played for him until the Del Zotto trade. Del Zotto could be considered maybe the only blemish in his time with Nashville, but he had already fallen apart a bit in NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I'm still torn on McClellan... He got the least out of a very good group of players. But he does have the look. He puts his hands on his hips, in front of his jacket, with wide eyes as though he cares deeply about what's going on which makes me believe he knows what he's doing. This is really cutting edge analysis on my part, but I have never liked McLellan based on looks alone. Always looks like he is coming off a 5 day bender. Thats all I have on this particular candidate. :lol: :lol: Good stuff, boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Since we have discovered that shithead makes it by the filter, I will assume he is not a "grade A shithead"? :ph34r: :lol: Couldn't quite decide which perjorative to use, so just went directly to post-filtered one. :lol: Maybe make it a mad-lib? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 So any word on Sabres next head coach... Awefully quiet out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 So any word on Sabres next head coach... Awefully quiet out there.Maybe they are waiting for the playoffs to end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBHockey13 Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Maybe they are waiting for the playoffs to end Murray said as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 Oh I am sure just boring not having Sabres news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 28, 2015 Report Share Posted April 28, 2015 lol. I just saw Patton Oswalt last night at the Moontower Comedy Festival. He was AMAZING! Did he talk about Carvel ice cream cakes? I love me some cookie puss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Did he talk about Carvel ice cream cakes? I love me some cookie puss!Cookie puss ain't got nothin on fudgie the whale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Cookie puss ain't got nothin on fudgie the whale. Cookie Puss = Derek Roy Fudgie the Whale = Cam Neely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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