josie Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Fwiw: Cleveland has some bomb-ass bagels -- place called Bialy's, near Shaker Heights as I recall. Yess. Not bagels, but I always will have a soft spot for Dave's Cosmic Subs. Lunch, then Grog Shop for a show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 VW's proposed settlement of the Dieselgate scandal was submitted today. It now enters a public comment period that should last until the end of July, at which time the settlement should be approved and VW will begin buying cars back and handing out settlement cash from the FTC lawsuit.I've been looking over the legal text to see how this affects me as a lessee. My major concern was that I leased the car in July '15, right before this went down. I intended to run the mileage up and buy the car out when the lease was up. After the scandal hit, VW was prevented from financing any of the affected cars, meaning I couldn't initiate a buy out if I wanted to. One year into my 3 year lease, I am just approaching 20,000 miles. This was always my intention. My concern was that any lease opt-out option in this settlement would have me paying mileage overages on a car that theoretically has no value. Fortunately it appears this has been accounted for in some respect. The text of the EPA portion of the settlement (https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2016-06/documents/vwpartialsettlement-cd.pdf) reads as follows: IV. BUYBACK AND LEASE TERMINATION ~~~ 4.2 Early Termination of Leases Recall: Beginning no later than fifteen (15) Days after Effective Date of the Consent Decree, Settling Defendants shall offer the Lease Termination to each Eligible Lessee of an Eligible Vehicle, upon return of the Eligible Vehicle. Any Lease Termination offer shall include full cancellation of the remaining terms of the lease with no financial or other penalty or cost. Settling Defendants shall pay any amounts necessary to accomplish the return of the vehicle without penalty to the Eligible Lessee, including, without limitation, early termination fees owed to third parties, except for fees for excess wear and use and excess mileage at the point of vehicle surrender, and other amounts due such as late payment fees, tickets, tolls, etc. This freaked me out at first, but then I found this in the FTC portion of the settlement (https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/cases/proposed_partial_stipulated_order_filed_copy_0.pdf): VIII. LEASE TERMINATION AND LESSEE COMPENSATION IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that for each Eligible Lessee who has an active lease and who elects a Lease Termination, Defendant shall pay that Eligible Lessee as set forth in this Order and Appendix A of the DOJ Consent Decree: A. Upon submission of an Eligible Lessee’s complete and valid claim application pursuant to Section XIII and surrender of an Eligible Vehicle to Defendant at a Volkswagen Dealer (or other entity authorized by Defendant), Defendant shall pay Eligible Lessee Restitution to the Eligible Lessee. Defendant shall pay all amounts necessary to achieve a Lease Termination without penalty to the Eligible Lessee, including, without limitation, early termination fees owed to third parties. Provided, however, that Defendant shall not be obligated to pay any Eligible Lessee Restitution Adjustments. When calculating excess mileage fees, Defendant cannot pro rate the actual mileage on the Eligible Vehicle on the day of vehicle surrender, but must compare such actual mileage to that allowed under the full lease term. Boom shakalaka. I can turn my car in without being penalized for my over-mileage so long as I don't go over the mileage stipulated under the full length of the lease. It also appears that I will be receiving a considerable sum in settlement cash, somewhere between 5k and 10k depending on the age of the car. I believe this likely has to do with the introduction of VW's "Clean Diesel" ad campaign, which didn't start until the most recent generation (the one I have). Anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Boom shakalaka. I can turn my car in without being penalized for my over-mileage so long as I don't go over the mileage stipulated under the full length of the lease. It also appears that I will be receiving a considerable sum in settlement cash, somewhere between 5k and 10k depending on the age of the car. I believe this likely has to do with the introduction of VW's "Clean Diesel" ad campaign, which didn't start until the most recent generation (the one I have). Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Unbelievable. I'll be honest, it does seem absurd. VW is being punished quite handily for lying about the emissions of a car that quite frankly doesn't emit nearly as much as your average dump truck or big rig. While 500,000 cars putting out twice the legal limit of NOx is a problem, the settlement we're receiving as customers is substantially higher than I expected it would be. VW clearly wants to move on from this while trying to retain customers. Our settlements are probably quite inflated as a means of "good will". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 New info dug up by people who have more free time than me. Looks like us lessees aren't getting as much as the people who actually bought the cars. That's fine. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/06/heres-much-youll-receive-dirty-volkswagen-diesel/ I'll be getting: VW Golf Hatchback 4D TDI S $3,064 – $3,364 That'll do pig, that'll do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 25th wedding anniversary today. I'll, umm....... be back in a day or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 25th wedding anniversary today. I'll, umm....... be back in a day or two. You savage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 25th wedding anniversary today. I'll, umm....... be back in a day or two. Stay hydrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 (edited) You savage. Stay hydrated.See, and after 23 years myself, I thought he meant wife was just demanding he put down that Internet for awhile. Edited June 30, 2016 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 See, and after 23 years myself, I thought he meant wife was just demanding he put down that Internet for awhile. Going on 32 years myself, I can verify this is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 25th wedding anniversary today. I'll, umm....... be back in a day or two. Stay hydrated. ^For sure, and stay away from the caffeine... don't want to pull a Honey Badger and get a leg cramp! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 They're sending my dad home today from the hospital. :) They'd told him to expect up to a week, but he's healing so well that they decided it wasn't necessary. He still has drain tubes in both his neck/face and leg that'll have to come out later, but he's really happy to be going home early (and their dog will be thrilled). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 They're sending my dad home today from the hospital. :) They'd told him to expect up to a week, but he's healing so well that they decided it wasn't necessary. He still has drain tubes in both his neck/face and leg that'll have to come out later, but he's really happy to be going home early (and their dog will be thrilled). GOOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 They're sending my dad home today from the hospital. :) They'd told him to expect up to a week, but he's healing so well that they decided it wasn't necessary. He still has drain tubes in both his neck/face and leg that'll have to come out later, but he's really happy to be going home early (and their dog will be thrilled). :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 They're sending my dad home today from the hospital. :) They'd told him to expect up to a week, but he's healing so well that they decided it wasn't necessary. He still has drain tubes in both his neck/face and leg that'll have to come out later, but he's really happy to be going home early (and their dog will be thrilled). Great news :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Very nice, kiddo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 It's about to be July 1, meaning the changes to the Code of Virginia made in the last legislative session take effect. What greeted me as I walked in the office this evening? Two gloriously large boxes of sweet, sweet Code Books. LAW BOOK DAY!!!!!!! I am such a nerd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 It's about to be July 1, meaning the changes to the Code of Virginia made in the last legislative session take effect. What greeted me as I walked in the office this evening? Two gloriously large boxes of sweet, sweet Code Books. LAW BOOK DAY!!!!!!! I am such a nerd... Nerd is the least of your problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Nerd is the least of your problems. Nah, working night shift (I work for the State, we'll leave it at that). it's fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 I honestly had never heard of the comedian Bill Burr until tonight when he popped up on YouTube. I am fan, so far. His hotel bit at the end of this Conan clip had me in tears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 You would love Bill Burr PA, his stand-up is amazing. Plus, he once went off for 13 minutes straight in a show in Philly, just standing up there insulting the city because the crowd was so rude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 I honestly had never heard of the comedian Bill Burr until tonight when he popped up on YouTube. I am fan, so far. His hotel bit at the end of this Conan clip had me in tears. You would love Bill Burr PA, his stand-up is amazing. Plus, he once went off for 13 minutes straight in a show in Philly, just standing up there insulting the city because the crowd was so rude I never knew his name, but I knew he looked familiar... from Chappelle's Show! http://www.cc.com/video-clips/jwy71h/chappelle-s-show-the-world-series-of-dice---uncensored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 I never knew his name, but I knew he looked familiar... from Chappelle's Show! http://www.cc.com/video-clips/jwy71h/chappelle-s-show-the-world-series-of-dice---uncensored He also was in Breaking Bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 I honestly had never heard of the comedian Bill Burr until tonight when he popped up on YouTube. I am fan, so far. His hotel bit at the end of this Conan clip had me in tears. He also was in Breaking Bad. And will definitely be in Better Call Saul someday. I'm disappointed in you, PA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 He also was in Breaking Bad. Ha -- I've seen Breaking Bad, and I'd completely forgotten him in it. Had to look it up this morning to convince myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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