Report: Sabres sign Bowen Byram to a two year 6.25 million dollar AAV contract extension

[Thorny]

8 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

Because of course; the only way to be angry with your favorite team is to feel utterly hopeless, say they deserve to lose all their great players and complain when anyone wants to do anything but that.

No I said they are about break even 

[thewookie1]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

No I said they are about break even 

I was commenting on the 1st part

The 2nd part I sadly agree with; I feel like we are running on a ***** treadmill 

[LGR4GM]

27 minutes ago, Thorny said:

No team is trading for him now. There’s no trade coming 

He’s walked to UFA 

Every year guys with 1yr left get traded. Byram currently has two. If a GM thinks he can sign him or even just go on a run, they'll be able to trade him either this summer (you're right, no trade there) or at the deadline or next summer or next deadline. 

[Thorny]

6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Every year guys with 1yr left get traded. Byram currently has two. If a GM thinks he can sign him or even just go on a run, they'll be able to trade him either this summer (you're right, no trade there) or at the deadline or next summer or next deadline. 

Right that’s what I’m saying: he’s not getting traded this summer 

People that are dreamily envisioning it as a building block transaction for something to improve this summer are mistaken - that’s what I’m saying (nm that being beyond Adams’ capacity) 

There wasn’t “more coming” after the JJ trade - it wasn’t the “first shoe”.

remember? “I’ll judge the Peterka deal when we see what’s next” 

nothing was next . I’ll happily eat the shoe if there is 

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Edited 8 hours ago by Thorny

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

I was commenting on the 1st part

The 2nd part I sadly agree with; I feel like we are running on a ***** treadmill 

Dude, you might've just stumbled onto the entire problem.  They're running on a ####ing treadmill when they should be SKATING on a ####ing treadmill.  Fix that and then, uh, well, um, guess it's still a treadmill their on, but at least they'd have the right ####ing footwear for the occassion.  😉 

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

Right that’s what I’m saying: he’s not getting traded this summer 

People that are envisioning it as a building block transaction for something to improve this summer are mistaken - that’s what I’m saying 

Yeah, he isn't getting traded this summer.  But by getting him in at under $7MM, they have an extra $750k to spend on that middle 6 (top 6 ideally, but the money they'll have left says middle 6) F the team desperately needs for when someone in the top 6 inevitably breaks or when one of the guys pencilled into the top 6 underperforms.

So, not a building block transaction, but if it leaves enough cash to bring in something to improve, will take it.  (Beggars can't be choosers.)  And then, the D will have been improved, the F's might've improved, and the GT on paper isn't any worse.  Round here that's a win, right?  (Lord, please send that asteroid soon and take us all out of our misery.)

[Thorny]

2 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Yeah, he isn't getting traded this summer.  But by getting him in at under $7MM, they have an extra $750k to spend on that middle 6 (top 6 ideally, but the money they'll have left says middle 6) F the team desperately needs for when someone in the top 6 inevitably breaks or when one of the guys pencilled into the top 6 underperforms.

So, not a building block transaction, but if it leaves enough cash to bring in something to improve, will take it.  (Beggars can't be choosers.)  And then, the D will have been improved, the F's might've improved, and the GT on paper isn't any worse.  Round here that's a win, right?  (Lord, please send that asteroid soon and take us all out of our misery.)

A minor F add might get the F group back to even if you squint at Doan 

Then at least we have the Kesselring improvement.

not enough but something 

[Pimlach]

Byram has to move all his stuff back to Buffalo.  

[JoeSchmoe]

Given Byram's perceived upside, $6.25M is a big win if the plan is to trade him.

Strap him to Dahlin's side to start the season and wait for the offers to come in!

[Dr. Who]

9 minutes ago, Thorny said:

A minor F add might get the F group back to even if you squint at Doan 

Then at least we have the Kesselring improvement.

not enough but something 

Exceedingly modest improvement, but it amounts to an ambitious leap for the dim crowd running the franchise.

[CallawaySabres]

So unbelievably predictable, what a freaking joke this organization is. It’s going to be hilarious when they are booed off the ice after the first home game of the season.

[Brawndo]

 

[pi2000]

33 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

Honestly, that’s ok. 
 

Defense

Dahlin-Byram

Power-Kesselring

Timmons-Samuelsson

To me, that trims the goals against by 30ish compared to last year to cover for Peterka and his poor D and not much PP production.  Plus Bo & OP should continue to ascend in ability.  
 

Bo & Dahls were elite together last year. No argument there.   Kess and Power should be better because it is OP’s best partner to date.  Sammy at third pair minutes is a better fit than his previous top four role.  Protected minutes could keep him healthier and more productive.

I still want a top six forward, but the D core is better with Bo here. 
 

Our GM still sucks, but I think this is best case with Bo here at this point and if we blow next year…he can be traded with a year to go for the new team. Cost controlled next year is OK. 

Peterka had a positive plus minus and a positive team relative plus minus.   The idea that he was a defensive liability is simply not true.

He plays defense better than most 23 year old 30 goal scorers.

You're not just losing his 30 goals next season, you're losing his 40, 45, 50 goal seasons.... yes 50, he will score 50 at some point.    To trade him as an RFA for a middling defenseman is criminal and in no way shape or form makes the team better.

The actual defensemen are not the problem.  The commitment to play sound team defense is... for both defensemen and forwards. 

The problem is the construction of the team.  KA ices the youngest roster in the league and then acts annoyed that they can't keep the puck out of their net.   I posted about this a few months ago... there's a massive correlation between average team age and goals against.. and it's been this way for as far back as they keep those statistics.

You want to make the playoffs Kevyn?  Trade 5 or 6 youngsters  (Kulich, Benson, Johnson, Rosen, Östlund, Helenius, etc....) packaging them for some proven vets.

Problem is that his primary strategy is to only bring in players who "want to be here"... and there aren't many proven vets willing to waive to come here, so he whines about taxes and palm trees, when in reality, YOU Kevyn, are the reason, not taxes, not palm trees... but LOSING and having no real plan to improve.

[Porous Five Hole]

1 minute ago, pi2000 said:

Peterka had a positive plus minus and a positive team relative plus minus.   The idea that he was a defensive liability is simply not true.

He plays defense better than most 23 year old 30 goal scorers.

You're not just losing his 30 goals next season, you're losing his 40, 45, 50 goal seasons.... yes 50, he will score 50 at some point.    To trade him as an RFA for a middling defenseman is criminal and in no way shape or form makes the team better.

The actual defensemen are not the problem.  The commitment to play sound team defense is... for both defensemen and forwards. 

The problem is the construction of the team.  KA ices the youngest roster in the league and then acts annoyed that they can't keep the puck out of their net.   I posted about this a few months ago... there's a massive correlation between average team age and goals against.. and it's been this way for as far back as they keep those statistics.

You want to make the playoffs Kevyn?  Trade 5 or 6 youngsters  (Kulich, Benson, Johnson, Rosen, Östlund, Helenius, etc....) packaging them for some proven vets.

Problem is that his primary strategy is to only bring in players who "want to be here"... and there aren't many proven vets willing to waive to come here, so he whines about taxes and palm trees, when in reality, YOU Kevyn, are the reason, not taxes, not palm trees... but LOSING and having no real plan to improve.

I believe your Peterka projection is way too high.

Signing Bo is best case scenario cuz our GM sucks.  You get a competent partner for Dahlin for two years & his worst case scenario is his cap hit is low enough that it's very tradeable.
Given the current blue line structure, this makes a ton of sense. Ok to disagree with roster construction, but it is what it is. 

[Porous Five Hole]

5 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

The problem is the construction of the team.  KA ices the youngest roster in the league and then acts annoyed that they can't keep the puck out of their net.   I posted about this a few months ago... there's a massive correlation between average team age and goals against.. and it's been this way for as far back as they keep those statistics.

You want to make the playoffs Kevyn?  Trade 5 or 6 youngsters  (Kulich, Benson, Johnson, Rosen, Östlund, Helenius, etc....) packaging them for some proven vets.

Also, specific to this, what trades are you jealous of that have happened during the offseason? Zegras? It’s easy to say trade prospects for forwards, but that’s not actually real life. 🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

 

[Flashsabre]

I don’t have a problem with reupping Byram.

The problem is Adams is in year 6 and hasn’t built a team that is competing for anything.

There franchise player went in last year and said this is unacceptable and Adams assured him of a plan to improve. Adams gave a multi day presentation to the owner with a plan to improve. 
 

All the coaches are back because they are under contract. You gave up Peterka for Kesserling and Doan. I like those players but this team isn’t better. It hasn’t made strides to leap into playoff contention.

This should be a GM fighting for his job. Taking big swings. But this offseason is the same as last years which wasn’t close to good enough.

Edited 7 hours ago by Flashsabre

[Palm Trees And Taxes]

If this signing does not follow:

1. Trading of Byrum for a top 6 forward

2. Keeping Byrum and finding a way to land a solid Top 6 option like Jared McCann

Then this signing and entire process is a failure.

[nfreeman]

Most likely outcome: BB is traded next summer.

Sneakily possible outcome:  BB outplays Power convincingly next season, Power is traded and BB signs a long-term extension.  

[Thorny]

1 hour ago, Flashsabre said:

I don’t have a problem with reupping Byram.

The problem is Adams is in year 6 and hasn’t built a team that is competing for anything.

There franchise player went in last year and said this is unacceptable and Adams assured him of a plan to improve. Adams gave a multi day presentation to the owner with a plan to improve. 
 

All the coaches are back because they are under contract. You gave up Peterka for Kesserling and Doan. I like those players but this team isn’t better. It hasn’t made strides to leap into playoff contention.

This should be a GM fighting for his job. Taking big swings. But this offseason is the same as last years which wasn’t close to good enough.

I wonder if maybe he’s not actually fighting for his job 

[Scottysabres]

Acceptable.

I am looking forward to this season, it looks like an AHL forward or 2 are going to make the jump to the big club.

[dudacek]

Rather have the player than the lesser player and pick we would have got in a trade.

Contract seems in line with what I would have expected from arbitration.

Player should be highly motivated and has more to give.

Just like with the Peterka deal, Kevyn Adams survives the battle but is no closer to winning the war.

Now surprise us and go get a real forward.

[7+6=13]

I think it's likely we're better than last year.  It feels like we're a good forward away from definitely being better.  It still might be enough to get in the playoffs but adding another forward or one stepping up, makes me feel comfortable we're a playoff team.

I don't think this team is same old.

[Second Line Center]

49 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I don't think this team is same old.

It’s definitely not.  
 

Norris.  Lyon.  Kesselring.  Timmins.  Doan.  Year 2 for Zucker and McCleod.  
 

If Norris stays healthy.  If Kulich, Benson, and Quinn (15 points last 16 games of season) continue to develop.  Maybe one of the other kids makes a leap.  If Power suddenly starts reaching his potential.  
 

And the Goaltending can just be average.  
 

Why aren’t we a playoff contender?  80-85 points should be this group’s floor.  Just trying to be optimistic here.  
 

Getting Tuch to sign is now top priority.

[Two or less]

16 minutes ago, Second Line Center said:

It’s definitely not.  
 

Norris.  Lyon.  Kesselring.  Timmins.  Doan.  Year 2 for Zucker and McCleod.  
 

If Norris stays healthy.  If Kulich, Benson, and Quinn (15 points last 16 games of season) continue to develop.  Maybe one of the other kids makes a leap.  If Power suddenly starts reaching his potential.  
 

And the Goaltending can just be average.  
 

Why aren’t we a playoff contender?  80-85 points should be this group’s floor.  Just trying to be optimistic here.  
 

Getting Tuch to sign is now top priority.

 

You're assuming a lot here. Theres going to be drop off offensively, mainly to guys like McLeod, Zucker and Tuch.

The team is still soft. And until they change that, none of this will matter.

[PerreaultForever]

Well 2 years to UFA puts him in a prime spot at 26 or 27 or whatever ready for a big payday anywhere he wants so I'm sure he's happy with that even if it is Buffalo.

I suspect his ask for a longer term deal in Buffalo was too high for Terry and his hand puppet Kev and since they are incapable of making good trades this was relatively easy to get. 

So at least we have the belief that the D will be better for the next 2 years and we have to hope Quinn gets better and Benson and Kulich keep developing and if the injury squad stay relatively healthy well then if it all goes well and UPL doesn't suck well maybe, then maybe, we only miss the playoffs by a few points and maybe still pick in the top 10. One can dream can't one.