Marvin Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 45 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Let's not overthink. The beginning of the end was even before Terry cried. After the intro presser he went over to the Buffalo News editorial board and told them he had ALREADY rejected Darcy's plan. Instead of trusting the GM who had done a very good job on skintight budgets to take advantage of more resources in his own time and way, he forced his will. He meddled. Welcome Ville Leino and all the rest. The rest is history. I had forgotten that. Thanks for the reminder. 59 minutes ago, Radar said: Bure/Drury departures more so. I think those were recoverable. Indeed, the team was still competitive and just needed to handle things a bit better and they could have developed into a real threat. But I can make your argument too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 hour ago, That Aud Smell said: I do not mean to be pedantic, but that sort of thing would improve their cash position - not their cash flow. "I do not mean to be pedantic" is a bright orange flag that someone is about to be pedantic. No worries though. Even as I typed that I kind of knew I wasn't saying it right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 48 minutes ago, The Ghost of Yuri said: "I do not mean to be pedantic" is a bright orange flag that someone is about to be pedantic. Ha - always. “I don’t mean to interrupt…” Yes you do. “Not to be rude …” Yes you are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 3 hours ago, dudacek said: The Sabres draft videos show Terry at the table throughout, both days. His Younger Son was in on the draft meetings in the same video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Brawndo said: His Younger Son was in on the draft meetings in the same video Was he wearing one of those god awful hats that he designed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 Just now, That Aud Smell said: Was he wearing one of those god awful hats that he designed? No, but something excited Him during the final design phase of those hats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Brawndo said: No, but something excited Him during the final design phase of those hats Oooh - I wanna get this joke. But don't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 48 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Oooh - I wanna get this joke. But don't. I love inside jokes. I hope to be a part of one someday. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said: This brings up a interesting point -- what was the beginning of the end? I think the original distal cause is The Tank. But the most important proximate cause was the trade of Ryan O'Reilly. It's not even the return; it was that it signified the first rebuild of the rebuild -- and was entirely unnecessary. I still can't believe that XGMJB was trying to trade O'Reilly before the TDL. How dumb is that? Once that happened, we were in for more suffering. What was the beginning of the end you ask? It was the day Terry Pegula bought the team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 On 3/1/2022 at 9:12 AM, PASabreFan said: For sale and not "rebuilding." This is the worry to me I guess, that the main motivator behind what we’ve done this season isn’t about building a winner, but building a sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porous Five Hole Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 5 hours ago, The Ghost of Yuri said: It's not hard to figure out. If they do take on debt it will affect their cashflow while they're paying it back. Cashflow for the Sabres has slowed to a trickle at a time when they would like to maximize their cashflow. It makes sense that a partial or total sale of the Sabres would improve their cashflow (with a lump sum) and reduce the amount of debt they have to service. It's kind of like you want to do major renovations to your primary residence, so you sell your lake cottage to help finance the renovations. I believe you’re over-simplifying the financial picture of a football team worth two billion dollars and an owner whose net worth is at least five billion dollars. If your home improvements (the Bills new stadium) are akin to 15% of your net worth (which the Sabres are half of that 15%), are you really selling that tangible assets to cover the balance? My position is you aren’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 18 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Go on Two Bills Drive. The Bills are a national brand now. The Sabres are a quaint local distraction. Don’t forget the loyal Winnipeg chapter 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 3 hours ago, nfreeman said: I think PA's post reflects a large amount of spin and would like a link on this. Rather than thinking, and asking me to give you a link, why not find the link, watch the lengthy videos like I did and state your case with something behind it besides reflexive animus (who never recovered from Johnny's OD)? 15 hours ago, K-9 said: Here, let me give you Terry's addy. I have it from when I sent him that Christmas card. You send him the pic and tell him he was wrong to say he's a football guy, there just happened to be a hockey team for sale first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 hours ago, That Aud Smell said: Ha - always. “I don’t mean to interrupt…” Yes you do. “Not to be rude …” Yes you are. "I'm not racist, but..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 hour ago, PASabreFan said: Rather than thinking, and asking me to give you a link, why not find the link, watch the lengthy videos like I did and state your case with something behind it besides reflexive animus (who never recovered from Johnny's OD)? Here, let me give you Terry's addy. I have it from when I sent him that Christmas card. You send him the pic and tell him he was wrong to say he's a football guy, there just happened to be a hockey team for sale first. Done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Thorny said: This is the worry to me I guess, that the main motivator behind what we’ve done this season isn’t about building a winner, but building a sale. I totally don't understand this comment. Are you suggesting that if the Sabres weren't for sale, they wouldn't try to get better? Edited March 3, 2022 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 39 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I totally don't understand this comment. Are you suggesting that if the Sabres weren't for sale, they wouldn't try to get better? No? Not really sure how you got there either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 5 hours ago, PASabreFan said: Rather than thinking, and asking me to give you a link, why not find the link, watch the lengthy videos like I did and state your case with something behind it besides reflexive animus (who never recovered from Johnny's OD)? Here, let me give you Terry's addy. I have it from when I sent him that Christmas card. You send him the pic and tell him he was wrong to say he's a football guy, there just happened to be a hockey team for sale first. So you’d like me to prove a negative? By… watching every TP video available online and not seeing the statement you say he made? No thank you. As for reflexive animus, there’s only one poster in this tete-a-tete suffering from that malady, and it’s the guy who referred to the owners as “rich scumbags who rape the earth.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, nfreeman said: So you’d like me to prove a negative? By… watching every TP video available online and not seeing the statement you say he made? No thank you. As for reflexive animus, there’s only one poster in this tete-a-tete suffering from that malady, and it’s the guy who referred to the owners as “rich scumbags who rape the earth.” You have all the info. you need to find the video in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7+6=13 Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 On 3/1/2022 at 11:15 PM, PromoTheRobot said: You act like owners don't care about the $5-6MM gross per game. Don't forget the road team gets 40%. No, I didn't act like that. You made that up. You talked about surviving as a franchise based on ticket sales and that's untrue. 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: I totally don't understand this comment. Are you suggesting that if the Sabres weren't for sale, they wouldn't try to get better? Man you really need to brush up in basic economics or you'll remain confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 11 hours ago, PASabreFan said: You have all the info. you need to find the video in question. Sadly, the links to those archived videos are dead on The Buffalo News website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 11 hours ago, PASabreFan said: You have all the info. you need to find the video in question. 28 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Sadly, the links to those archived videos are dead on The Buffalo News website. Well, google searches for "Pegula overrule Darcy" and "Pegula reject Darcy" deliver zero hits. But there's this: https://www.diebytheblade.com/2011/2/22/2008007/terry-pegulas-first-press-conference-completely-awesome Quote One thing we got out of Pegula's speech is that he is 100% behind both Lindy Ruff and Darcy Regier. He claimed due diligence was done on both the coach and GM, and after talking to numerous people both in and out of the league was convinced that these were the guys for the job. He talked about Regier being handcuffed in the past, and then reassured everyone that he would give Darcy all the financial backing he needs. Negative proven! Heavy-spin-to-the-point-of-outright-BS-driven-by-reflexive-animus established! Checkmate! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 21 minutes ago, nfreeman said: He talked about Regier being handcuffed in the past, and then reassured everyone that he would give Darcy all the financial backing he needs. Was Pegula's giving more resources (money) to Darcy contrary to the plan that Darcy had developed? ... I mean, I guess that's possible? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 hours ago, That Aud Smell said: Sadly, the links to those archived videos are dead on The Buffalo News website. I discovered that this morning. Fortunately, they will live forever in my mind, right down to Terry scraping under his fingernails and wiping away the crud from the beautiful News editorial boardroom table. "Part of the reason for the quit in this team is in this room." Moron. (Beyond the stupidity of thinking mild criticism from the vaunted Buffalo sports media would ever be a contributor to poor performance, the team hadn't quit on the season, as I'm sure most will recall.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, PASabreFan said: I discovered that this morning. Fortunately, they will live forever in my mind, right down to Terry scraping under his fingernails and wiping away the crud from the beautiful News editorial boardroom table. "Part of the reason for the quit in this team is in this room." Moron. (Beyond the stupidity of thinking mild criticism from the vaunted Buffalo sports media would ever be a contributor to poor performance, the team hadn't quit on the season, as I'm sure most will recall.) Is this the same as living rent-free? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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