Rasmus Ristolainen traded to Philadelphia for LHD Hagg, 2021 1st (14), and a 2023 2nd

[LGR4GM]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

Not a fan of Ceulemans?

Not at 14 I am not. I am not a Ceulemans fan because he thinks he can deke is way all over the ice and he gets tunnel vision. Just won't work in the NHL but I see the appeal. 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, Hoss said:

It’s accurate. It’s the 13th overall picks. There is no arguing that it’s a fact. Whether or not it needs added context is debatable but I say it does not because there are many variables in play that led to those players being the 13th overall pick in their draft. There will likely be better players taken after 13 this year, as well.

You did leave out that the two previous years 13s were Dustin Brown and Alexander Semin, two very good players

[inkman]

28 minutes ago, Hoss said:

This is a great deal, I’m not saying otherwise. It’s a lottery ticket, though.

13th overalls from 2004-2013:

Drew Stafford, Marek Zagrapan, Jiri Tlusty, Lars Eller, Colton Teubert, Zack Kassian, Brandon Gormley, Sven Bartschi, Radek Faksa, Josh Morrissey.

That is a terrible list.

What about 14th overall?

http://www.mynhldraft.com/nhl-draft-picks/14th-overall/140509/

I’d take 75% of those guys  

 

[Thorny]

2 minutes ago, inkman said:

What about 14th overall?

http://www.mynhldraft.com/nhl-draft-picks/14th-overall/140509/

I’d take 75% of those guys  

 

I like that it only goes back to 2013 lol

McAvoy was 14th pretty recently, he'd be a good one

[Hoss]

5 minutes ago, WildCard said:

Your point was that it's a lottery selection, I think a lot of factors determine how likely you are at succeeding in that lottery. 

Indeed. The only direct evidence we have is that it’s a lottery pick. So are the picks immediately around it. You could say “okay, every single draft there was a better player picked within the first ten picks after 13” but those individual picks year by year are still similarly shaky lists.

2 minutes ago, inkman said:

What about 14th overall?

http://www.mynhldraft.com/nhl-draft-picks/14th-overall/140509/

I’d take 75% of those guys  

 

14 is definitely less of a crap shoot than 13, oddly.

[GASabresIUFAN]

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

No, why would it? 

Their board is already set. If Power is #1 on their board they will draft him even if they trade Bryson for Hedman before 8pm. 

or by getting this pick they get the D they want in Power and a quality center prospect with this pick.  Maybe this trade is a hint that Power is the pick.  I still hope not, but maybe.

[LGR4GM]

Just now, GASabresIUFAN said:

or by getting this pick they get the D they want in Power and a quality center prospect with this pick.  Maybe this trade is a hint that Power is the pick.  I still hope not, but maybe.

Don't see how that tracks. I can easily flip it and say now they can take Eklund at 1 and pick up whatever D falls to 14 (13)

[Cage]

15 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

WOW!  I'm honestly shocked.  If we have to trade Risto, I think we did very well.  Kudos to KA.  I actually really like Hagg and think he'll be a good fit here.  Also the 13th overall pick is a solid pick in this draft.  A few good centers like Lucius, Sillinger, Raty and Svechkov will be available here.   

Anyone still angry we protected Risto over Borgen?  Didn't think so.

That would be GMKA

[Cascade Youth]

This is sort of like how there is no 13th floor.

[LGR4GM]

If they walk out of this draft with Power/Eklund/Beniers and Sillinger/Lucius I will be pretty happy

[Eleven]

Just now, Cascade Youth said:

This is sort of like how there is no 13th floor.

THANK YOU

[WildCard]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

If they walk out of this draft with Power/Eklund/Beniers and Sillinger/Lucius I will be pretty happy

@thewookie1 posted it in the other thread, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Sabres flip this 13 to Anaheim to sweeten it for Zegras 

[LGR4GM]

Just now, WildCard said:

@thewookie1 posted it in the other thread, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Sabres flip this 13 to Anaheim to sweeten it for Zegras 

Our GM doesn't deal in sweetners... only in cold hard destruction 

[Thorny]

11 minutes ago, Hoss said:

Indeed. The only direct evidence we have is that it’s a lottery pick. So are the picks immediately around it. You could say “okay, every single draft there was a better player picked within the first ten picks after 13” but those individual picks year by year are still similarly shaky lists.

14 is definitely less of a crap shoot than 13, oddly.

I mean, you are absolutely right. It's funny though, cause it just comes down to the fact you can view the deal under two very different mindsets:

The odds are that Philadelphia will get the better NHL net output from this deal, I'd say. It's unlikely* the pick is as good as Ristolainen, looking through past records, and it's not likely the other two assets make up the difference. 

But in terms of the accepted league wide value attributed to assets, on average, Adams did very well. 

Both can be true, but we'll have to see.

*Not "very" unlikely, but it's less than 50% imo. (There is certainly the possibility they draft well and come out strong on both fronts. Again, have to see.)

Edited July 23, 2021 by Thorny

[WildCard]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Our GM doesn't deal in sweetners... only in cold hard destruction 

After what he just hauled in for Risto watch him flip Eichel for Zegras and Byfield somehow

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Don't see how that tracks. I can easily flip it and say now they can take Eklund at 1 and pick up whatever D falls to 14 (13)

That's my preferred idea, but just trying to read the tea leaves

[mjd1001]

Just now, Thorny said:

There is certainly the possibility they draft well and come out strong on both fronts. Again, have to see. 

Hopefully yes.

Remember though, 13th pick is good, but odds are any player selected at 13 is years away from playing and producing...and you are looking at about a 50% chance overall of that becoming a good player down the road.  Still, I'll take it in this deal for Risto.

[Derrico]

7 minutes ago, WildCard said:

@thewookie1 posted it in the other thread, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Sabres flip this 13 to Anaheim to sweeten it for Zegras 

Eichel and 13 for Zegras, Comtois and 3?

[WildCard]

Just now, Derrico said:

Eichel and 13 for Zegras, Comtois and 3?

TBH I don't know enough about Comtois. I would be thrilled with however we can land Zegras though, let alone #3 overall with it.

[That Aud Smell]

57 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

14th. They traded the 14th pick but we will get the 13th player. 

please to explain

[Derrico]

1 minute ago, WildCard said:

TBH I don't know enough about Comtois. I would be thrilled with however we can land Zegras though, let alone #3 overall with it.

Ok forget Comtois.  3 and Zegras for Eichel and 13?

[WildCard]

Just now, That Aud Smell said:

please to explain

Arizona was stripped of the 13th overall pick for violating the league's policies 

 

[Cascade Youth]

2 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

please to explain

 

[WildCard]

Just now, Derrico said:

Ok forget Comtois.  3 and Zegras for Eichel and 13?

I still think Eichel alone is worth Zegras + #3OA, but I doubt he fetches that much.

[Mustache of God]

2 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

please to explain

I believe Arizona has the 13th "slot" but they got their peepee slapped by the league and penalized a draft pick. I believe they were negotiating with draft picks or something.