tom webster Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Derrico said: Of course it was worth it. That’s not the discussion we were having. Fair point but I dismiss the notion that they took a downturn because of loss of “support” players. They made a colossal blunder with Seabrook, made a couple other dubious decisions and their stars slowly become less dominant. My point still is, I can’t think of one instance were a team truly wanted to keep an important player and was forced by the cap to give them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, tom webster said: Fair point but I dismiss the notion that they took a downturn because of loss of “support” players. They made a colossal blunder with Seabrook, made a couple other dubious decisions and their stars slowly become less dominant. My point still is, I can’t think of one instance were a team truly wanted to keep an important player and was forced by the cap to give them up. Really quickly my mind goes to Jordan Staal, but I don't really remember the specifics there. But yeah, we're not going to be stringing together a very long list here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 So where are we at with trades? Anything on Risto lately? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 I'm sure the leafs will figure it out but it will be interesting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, tom webster said: Fair point but I dismiss the notion that they took a downturn because of loss of “support” players. They made a colossal blunder with Seabrook, made a couple other dubious decisions and their stars slowly become less dominant. My point still is, I can’t think of one instance were a team truly wanted to keep an important player and was forced by the cap to give them up. That's a fair point but guys like Panarin had to move due to the larger salaries. It is hard to isolate every single factor but I don't think there's much debate that there is a finite amount of cap space and you can usually keep your guys but it's coming at an opportunity cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, shrader said: Really quickly my mind goes to Jordan Staal, but I don't really remember the specifics there. But yeah, we're not going to be stringing together a very long list here. Staal is not a bad example, and like you, I’m a little cloudy on the details, but they still made a choice. They decided, and I think rightfully so, that he wasn’t going to be a high end number 2. Its like when the Sabre’s walked away from J. P. Dumpster. DR will tell you that he had no choice, but he did. Unfortunately, he chose Ales Kotalik. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 23 minutes ago, tom webster said: Staal is not a bad example, and like you, I’m a little cloudy on the details, but they still made a choice. They decided, and I think rightfully so, that he wasn’t going to be a high end number 2. Its like when the Sabre’s walked away from J. P. Dumpster. DR will tell you that he had no choice, but he did. Unfortunately, he chose Ales Kotalik. Still believe the order came from above to work the contracts in order of when the arbitrations hit rather than importance to the team. Which kind of did make Dumont the odd man out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Taro T said: Still believe the order came from above to work the contracts in order of when the arbitrations hit rather than importance to the team. Which kind of did make Dumont the odd man out. One of those rare instances where we disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 5 hours ago, tom webster said: Staal is not a bad example, and like you, I’m a little cloudy on the details, but they still made a choice. They decided, and I think rightfully so, that he wasn’t going to be a high end number 2. Its like when the Sabre’s walked away from J. P. Dumpster. DR will tell you that he had no choice, but he did. Unfortunately, he chose Ales Kotalik. Typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 https://www.iltalehti.fi/nhl/a/ef2c162d-e23e-4b60-b8b3-986d2da28043 According to the google translation of this article, Laine is dumping on his coach for not playing him with stars, explicitly mentioning that Maurice obviously loves Little, who is implied to be not good by Laine from what I can see. No thanks on this guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 ^ those translations never fail to amuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: https://www.iltalehti.fi/nhl/a/ef2c162d-e23e-4b60-b8b3-986d2da28043 According to the google translation of this article, Laine is dumping on his coach for not playing him with stars, explicitly mentioning that Maurice obviously loves Little, who is implied to be not good by Laine from what I can see. No thanks on this guy So Laine is like the rest of us and gets frustrated when a coach irrationally loves a washed-up vet? Meh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, TrueBlueGED said: So Laine is like the rest of us and gets frustrated when a coach irrationally loves a washed-up vet? Meh. It'd be one thing if Patrik himself didn't have negative traits often pertaining to his own work ethic that actively drags down those top line players he mentions when he gets extended runs wit hthem, but all of that is true, so yapping about how much your teammate and coach sucks to the media in that situation is not something I'm interested in dealing with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 A lot of signings taking place. I strongly suspect Risto held out of the game last night pending a potential deal in place. I'm guessing he moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: A lot of signings taking place. I strongly suspect Risto held out of the game last night pending a potential deal in place. I'm guessing he moves. So why was Johansson being held out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Just now, inkman said: So why was Johansson being held out? Because the deal Botterill is working on for that 2C has Ristolainen and Johansson going out. Just need to find out who the 2C is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: It'd be one thing if Patrik himself didn't have negative traits often pertaining to his own work ethic that actively drags down those top line players he mentions when he gets extended runs wit hthem, but all of that is true, so yapping about how much your teammate and coach sucks to the media in that situation is not something I'm interested in dealing with. I just don't care what athletes say. I'm actually trying to think of anything sports-related I care about less. The only thing that comes close is preseason football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Taro T said: Because the deal Botterill is working on for that 2C has Ristolainen and Johansson going out. Just need to find out who the 2C is. Jaysus. That'd be quite a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Jaysus. That'd be quite a thing. How many times in the history of sport has a team signed a free agent to trade him without ever playing for said team (minus injury)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, inkman said: How many times in the history of sport has a team signed a free agent to trade him without ever playing for said team (minus injury)? Jaro Halak Sabres tribute: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, inkman said: So why was Johansson being held out? Swedish meatball night? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 Scouring the Net I couldn’t even find a likely BS rumour to post. Really all quiet on this front right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted September 17, 2019 Report Share Posted September 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, Thorny said: Scouring the Net I couldn’t even find a likely BS rumour to post. Really all quiet on this front right now. Usually the time Botts makes a move ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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