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2 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

Babcock does need to go. The team is incapable of playing the grinding, defensive hockey he wants out of them, and he's neutered the only thing they do well in trying to coach them that way. You have to coach to the parts you have. Toronto's defense is capable of being as good as Pittsburgh's in 2016-17. Their offense is capable of being better. Coach with that in mind. 

It will be ironic that all of the emotion that came with the Babcock and Bylsma saga will end five years later with zero playoff series wins combined 

I can’t pretend this thought hasn’t skirted across my mind regarding Krueger’s approach to Dahlin vs Housley’s. 

I’m deferring to GM “It’s a situation where” and Krueger on their development plan for him, it’s largely too early to question it. But, they really, really better know what they are doing. 

Really. 

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It sounded to me like the honest wanderings of a man who was truly affected by the actions of a friend and the end of an era.  Full of things to say and at a loss for words all at the same time.

I sensed a genuine affection for Grapes there, and a sense of loss.  Imagine being forced into retirement suddenly, without warning, and because of the words and actions of a friend.

I'm more than a little impressed that he's not expressing anger towards Cherry.  It would certainly be warranted.  The end of the show was squarely in Cherry's lap.  It sounded to me like the network gave Cherry the opportunity to walk his comments back and he chose not to do so.

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1 hour ago, Andrew Amerk said:

Sounded like rambling and babbling to me. 

Coach's Corner has been less about hockey analysis for the last 15 years and more about the ramblings of an increasingly aging man.  I would keep Coach's Corner alive and replace the "coach".  It's not "Cherry's Corner."  Get someone who is more in touch with today's game and less stuck in last generations issues.  

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1 hour ago, Weave said:

It sounded to me like the honest wanderings of a man who was truly affected by the actions of a friend and the end of an era.  Full of things to say and at a loss for words all at the same time.

I sensed a genuine affection for Grapes there, and a sense of loss.  Imagine being forced into retirement suddenly, without warning, and because of the words and actions of a friend.

I'm more than a little impressed that he's not expressing anger towards Cherry.  It would certainly be warranted.  The end of the show was squarely in Cherry's lap.  It sounded to me like the network gave Cherry the opportunity to walk his comments back and he chose not to do so.

I could be wrong but the coaches corner segment is prerecorded which gives the network time to pre-emp the ramblings of a sometimes uncouth old guy. This makes their decision to air the segment despite what was said all the more puzzling. I don’t believe what was said was all that bad. The ‘ you people ‘ bit can be found on a recording of the rememberance day segment in 98 and again in 15 with no public outcry and no firing. Lately the network has been losing money and have recently let employees go. Nick Kypreos being the most notable. Cherrys 2.5 million salary was perhaps too rich and they may have been looking for a reason to retire him. He was 85 . But as we all know he’s said much worse in the past. 

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20 minutes ago, bunomatic said:

I could be wrong but the coaches corner segment is prerecorded which gives the network time to pre-emp the ramblings of a sometimes uncouth old guy. This makes their decision to air the segment despite what was said all the more puzzling.  

Exactly

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2 hours ago, Weave said:

It sounded to me like the honest wanderings of a man who was truly affected by the actions of a friend and the end of an era.  Full of things to say and at a loss for words all at the same time.

I sensed a genuine affection for Grapes there, and a sense of loss.  Imagine being forced into retirement suddenly, without warning, and because of the words and actions of a friend.

I'm more than a little impressed that he's not expressing anger towards Cherry.  It would certainly be warranted.  The end of the show was squarely in Cherry's lap.  It sounded to me like the network gave Cherry the opportunity to walk his comments back and he chose not to do so.

Ron is still staying and doing segments, no?

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23 hours ago, Curt said:

a guy who felt his job was to babysit his co-host, feels like he failed

This part is true.

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12 hours ago, Thorny said:

Ron is still staying and doing segments, no?

For the time being.  Depending on what CBC does with the Coach's Corner segment, he could find himself pushed aside.  That said, he's had 30+ years as a top line announcer, makes enough money to have someone like Don Meehan represent him, even if he gets cut loose and can't find work, I think he'll have a fine retirement.

EDIT:  For anyone who's worried about whether ol' Ron will land on his feet, he makes $450k/year and is worth $3M.  Not superstar numbers, but enough to be comfortable for the rest of his days.

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15 hours ago, Thorny said:

Ron is still staying and doing segments, no?

I would hope. Get Millbury to replace Don. 😲

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3 hours ago, Doohickie said:

For the time being.  Depending on what CBC does with the Coach's Corner segment, he could find himself pushed aside.  That said, he's had 30+ years as a top line announcer, makes enough money to have someone like Don Meehan represent him, even if he gets cut loose and can't find work, I think he'll have a fine retirement.

EDIT:  For anyone who's worried about whether ol' Ron will land on his feet, he makes $450k/year and is worth $3M.  Not superstar numbers, but enough to be comfortable for the rest of his days.

He may not do the Saturday night segment anymore, or another version of it, but he still does the Sunday Night 'Home Town Hockey' where he and Tara Slone travel around Canada and do a broadcast from that City. Last week they were in Welland and had former Sabres Dan Paille and Matt Ellis, along with former NHLers Bissonnette and Dan Girardi out to talk about growing up and playing in Welland. It's usually a full weekend thing where they have meet Nd greets, games and other stuff to see and do for fans, then it ends with the hosts broadcasting from the location and the location showing one of the nights games on a screen outside (they showed Toronto vs Chicago). Ron isn't out of work if they cut out his Saturday segment. It might be nice for him because he won't have to travel back to the Toronto studio for Saturday's broadcast. (It's a short trip, but he did a bunch of things in Welland on Friday, went back to Toronto on Saturday for Cherry's last segment, then back to Welland Sunday for the broadcast and his apology for not saying or doing anything at the time)

 

As for Don, Sportsnet gave him the chance to apologise for his words and he refused so they let him go. He wasn't fired just for this comment, he has had many comments over the years that got him in trouble and have been viewed as controversial and this was the last one. His comments were directed at refugees/immigrants coming here (and just like south of our borders, it's been a hot button issue that's divided the country) and in today's world comments like that are not being tolerated anymore. His supporters keep saying it's because of him saying 'you people' and twist it to make it out to be him refering to everyone in the country, but it was what followed that got him in trouble, when you add the "...who come here and enjoy our milk and honey, etc." He has always been someone who has had harsh comments about the Euro players who play in the NHL, along with the French. You might be able to blame it on him being from another time where his comments and words would be acceptable, but times are changing and now so is the show. Don could have easily come out, said he misspoke on air and explained what he was trying to say (that Remembrance Day and wearing a poppy is becoming less and less celebrated) and even met with some of the people who have come here and talked with them to possibly inform them of this part of our culture and its importance.

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11 hours ago, Doohickie said:

For the time being.  Depending on what CBC does with the Coach's Corner segment, he could find himself pushed aside.  That said, he's had 30+ years as a top line announcer, makes enough money to have someone like Don Meehan represent him, even if he gets cut loose and can't find work, I think he'll have a fine retirement.

EDIT:  For anyone who's worried about whether ol' Ron will land on his feet, he makes $450k/year and is worth $3M.  Not superstar numbers, but enough to be comfortable for the rest of his days.

I'd be more than happy for him to take Dan Dunleavy's place.

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2 hours ago, millbank said:

Starting next Monday Don Cherry with his son will have Podcast , The Grapevine.to discuss hockey and other matters to his choosing . 
 

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-don-cherry-comes-back-with-a-new-show/amp

How many people who really want to go out of their way to listen to Cherry also know how to use podcasts?

I would guess that the overlap of those two groups is relatively small.

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

Hopefully he treats him better than Cal O’Reilly did

 

This is actually really nice to see.  Makes me feel good for both of them.

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28 minutes ago, Curt said:

How many people who really want to go out of their way to listen to Cherry also know how to use podcasts?

I would guess that the overlap of those two groups is relatively small.

This is actually really nice to see.  Makes me feel good for both of them.

Hey I’m only 54 and figuring out podcasts was easy peasy. Nothing to it. Figuring out a rotary dial phone now that is downright difficult for the future leaders of our countries. Don will find his audience and his audience will find him if they want to listen.

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24 minutes ago, bunomatic said:

Hey I’m only 54 and figuring out podcasts was easy peasy. Nothing to it. Figuring out a rotary dial phone now that is downright difficult for the future leaders of our countries. Don will find his audience and his audience will find him if they want to listen.

And you are excited to listen to Don Cherry’s podcast?

I didn’t say that no one over whatever age listens to podcasts, just probably not the same people who are interested in Cherry.

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5 minutes ago, Curt said:

And you are excited to listen to Don Cherry’s podcast?

Lol. I didn’t say I would. I could barely tolerate him on HNiC . But I’m almost positive he has a pretty rabid following based on what I’ve seen on social media this past week. At least North of the border. Who knows? Maybe it’ll be a semi retirement gig for him as he winds down.

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4 hours ago, Let's Go B-Lo said:

I'd be more than happy for him to take Dan Dunleavy's place.

I'm not so sure.  Remember how well Harry Neal worked out?  Having a longtime Toronto supporter report on the Sabres is probably just a bad idea.

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Ron MacLean will do regular pre game hosting in between periods , and after game as he always has . Likely will also do Olympic Coverage , plus the regular Sunday segment . He has become one of Canada’s most respected and liked personalities. What transpired was sad and unfortunate for all. There was not a winner apart from those who did not enjoy Don Cherry( which there were many who had their knives out ready.) A shame he did not finish the year. 

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8 hours ago, bunomatic said:

Lol. I didn’t say I would. I could barely tolerate him on HNiC . But I’m almost positive he has a pretty rabid following based on what I’ve seen on social media this past week. At least North of the border. Who knows? Maybe it’ll be a semi retirement gig for him as he winds down.

I wonder how quickly he'll run out of steam when he has to talk for a period of time that is much longer than a short intermission segment.  That could be trouble at his age.

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