LTS Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Forsberg was a player who could bring the flash and style to a team.... but not for an extended period of time. Lidstrom was the foundation for the Red Wings. He made that entire team better by being on the ice for half the game (or more) every night and basically shutting down every player who played against him. I would take Lidstrom over Forsberg any day. I can find a collection of forwards to score goals, but to find a D who so thoroughly shut down the opponent like Lidstrom did.... that's rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Lucky for us Dahlin has the edge and the hands of Forsberg combined with the poise and the vision of Lidstrom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Lucky for us Dahlin has the edge and the hands of Forsberg combined with the poise and the vision of Lidstrom. And yet he gets outscored by Matt Donovan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) And yet he gets outscored by Matt Donovan. So you are upset that a 27yr old man outscored a 17 year old boy? Further you are upset a guy who played 52 games scored 7 more assists than a player who only played 41 games? Further you are upset that a 27yr old man who played more games and scored 7 more assists, only scored 0.031ppg more than the 17yr old boy in his first pro season? You are upset that a 27yr old man who scored 0 points in 6 playoffs games was outscored by the 17yr old boy who had 3 points in 6 games? You are upset that if I add in their playoff points that a 27yr old man had a ppg of 0.466 but the 17yr old boy you claim he outscored had a ppg of 0.489 or was 0.023 better overall than the guy you claimed outscored him? Is that really the argument you want to make? What a weak, lazy, un-researched take. Edited June 14, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 And yet he gets outscored by Matt Donovan. So you are upset that a 27yr old man outscored a 17 year old boy? Further you are upset a guy who played 52 games scored 7 more assists than a player who only played 41 games? Further you are upset that a 27yr old man who played more games and scored 7 more assists, only scored 0.031ppg more than the 17yr old boy in his first pro season? What a weak, lazy, un-researched take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 What a weak, lazy, un-researched take. This sort of response happens way too often around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) This sort of response happens way too often around here. Unfortunately so do weak, lazy, un-researched takes. Meh whatever Edited June 14, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Unfortunately so do weak, lazy, un-researched takes. Meh whatever I would think that with your history of needing to take breaks from the interactions here that you would more actively try to avoid provoking those interactions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 And yet he gets outscored by Matt Donovan. I feel like we are playing that childhood game... "After everything I say, you say ________" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) I would think that with your history of needing to take breaks from the interactions here that you would more actively try to avoid provoking those interactions. Nope. Edited June 14, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 So you are upset that a 27yr old man outscored a 17 year old boy? Further you are upset a guy who played 52 games scored 7 more assists than a player who only played 41 games? Further you are upset that a 27yr old man who played more games and scored 7 more assists, only scored 0.031ppg more than the 17yr old boy in his first pro season? You are upset that a 27yr old man who scored 0 points in 6 playoffs games was outscored by the 17yr old boy who had 3 points in 6 games? You are upset that if I add in their playoff points that a 27yr old man had a ppg of 0.466 but the 17yr old boy you claim he outscored had a ppg of 0.489 or was 0.023 better overall than the guy you claimed outscored him? Is that really the argument you want to make? What a weak, lazy, un-researched take. I simply stated a fact. Rasmus Dahlin was outscored by Matt Donovan. That's not a "take", that's a fact. And it didn't take much research, just looked at hockeydb. You want to compare Dahlin to Lidstrom and Forsbeg? Fine. Statistically he produced less than Matt Donovan. Like or not, that's the truth. If he's Forsberg and Lidstrom wrapped into one super prospect, then I find it hard to believe that prospect would get out produced by a 27 year-old Matt Donovan. Nobody was statistically close to McDavid or even Eichel in their final amateur seasons. So until I see some evidence, Rasmus Dahlin is just the Great Swedish Hope. There's nothing tangible to grab hold of except for "he skates like X", or " he sees the game like Y"... etc etc... it's all conjecture at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 I simply stated a fact. Rasmus Dahlin was outscored by Matt Donovan. That's not a "take", that's a fact. And it didn't take much research, just looked at hockeydb. You want to compare Dahlin to Lidstrom and Forsbeg? Fine. Statistically he produced less than Matt Donovan. Like or not, that's the truth. If he's Forsberg and Lidstrom wrapped into one super prospect, then I find it hard to believe that prospect would get out produced by a 27 year-old Matt Donovan. Nobody was statistically close to McDavid or even Eichel in their final amateur seasons. So until I see some evidence, Rasmus Dahlin is just the Great Swedish Hope. There's nothing tangible to grab hold of except for "he skates like X", or " he sees the game like Y"... etc etc... it's all conjecture at this point. 100% of the people who eat pickles die... Why do people continue eating pickles.. it's insane. But more importantly.. You want to play the comparison game... Peter Forsberg, in 1990, playing for Modo was outscored by Erik Holmberg, Ulf Odmark, Ingemar Strom, Hans Lodin, Jorgen Eriksson, Ari Salo... a true bevy of Hall of Fame hockey talent. Man, no one should have believed in Forsberg when he was drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 100% of the people who eat pickles die... Why do people continue eating pickles.. it's insane. But more importantly.. You want to play the comparison game... Peter Forsberg, in 1990, playing for Modo was outscored by Erik Holmberg, Ulf Odmark, Ingemar Strom, Hans Lodin, Jorgen Eriksson, Ari Salo... a true bevy of Hall of Fame hockey talent. Man, no one should have believed in Forsberg when he was drafted. I have never eaten a pickle! Ever! I am immortal!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 I have never eaten a pickle! Ever! I am immortal!!! You're missing out. I waited until my forties and now regret my lost time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Peter Forsberg, in 1990, playing for Modo was outscored by Erik Holmberg, Ulf Odmark, Ingemar Strom, Hans Lodin, Jorgen Eriksson, Ari Salo... a true bevy of Hall of Fame hockey talent. BUST! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 I simply stated a fact. Rasmus Dahlin was outscored by Matt Donovan. That's not a "take", that's a fact. And it didn't take much research, just looked at hockeydb. You want to compare Dahlin to Lidstrom and Forsbeg? Fine. Statistically he produced less than Matt Donovan. Like or not, that's the truth. If he's Forsberg and Lidstrom wrapped into one super prospect, then I find it hard to believe that prospect would get out produced by a 27 year-old Matt Donovan. Nobody was statistically close to McDavid or even Eichel in their final amateur seasons. So until I see some evidence, Rasmus Dahlin is just the Great Swedish Hope. There's nothing tangible to grab hold of except for "he skates like X", or " he sees the game like Y"... etc etc... it's all conjecture at this point. Either your one of the most negative people here or your fishing for reactions. Now you're negative on a person who is one of the most highly rated prospects in the past decades. You call into talk shows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 1) I simply stated a fact. Rasmus Dahlin was outscored by Matt Donovan. That's not a "take", that's a fact. And it didn't take much research, just looked at hockeydb. You want to compare 2) Dahlin to Lidstrom and Forsbeg? Fine. 3) Statistically he produced less than Matt Donovan. Like or not, that's the truth. If he's Forsberg and Lidstrom wrapped into one super prospect, 4) then I find it hard to believe that prospect would get out produced by a 27 year-old Matt Donovan. 1) It's literally not a fact. Rasmus Dahlin's points per game last season is higher than Matt Donovan's. 2) I have compared him to Lidstrom because Lidstrom compared Dahlin to himself. I am not the one comparing him to Forsberg. 3) Rasmus Dahlin's points per game last season is higher than Matt Donovan's when you account for all of the SHL games they played, so it's more like an alternative fact aka not a fact. 4) Rasmus Dahlin's ppg was higher than Donovan's. To be precise it was 0.489 compared to 0.466. Edited June 15, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 The only way you can reach the conclusion that Matt Donovan is somehow superior in scoring to Dahlin is if you look at raw numbers and completely ignore games played which would be a good way to use "statistics" badly. Donovan scored 27points in 58 games 0.466ppg Dahlin scored 23points in 47 games 0.489ppg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 1) It's literally not a fact. Rasmus Dahlin's points per game last season is higher than Matt Donovan's. 2) I have compared him to Lidstrom because Lidstrom compared Dahlin to himself. I am not the one comparing him to Forsberg. 3) Rasmus Dahlin's points per game last season is higher than Matt Donovan's when you account for all of the SHL games they played, so it's more like an alternative fact aka not a fact. 4) Rasmus Dahlin's ppg was higher than Donovan's. To be precise it was 0.489 compared to 0.466. 1) I said Donovan outscored Dahlin... and he did. I'm not talking about PPG. 2) Sorry, that was dudacek who compared him to Forsbeg+Lidstrom. 3) True. 4) Wow, that's an eye-popping 0.023 more points per game than Matt Donovan. Elite status confirmed. The only way you can reach the conclusion that Matt Donovan is somehow superior in scoring to Dahlin is if you look at raw numbers and completely ignore games played which would be a good way to use "statistics" badly. Donovan scored 27points in 58 games 0.466ppg Dahlin scored 23points in 47 games 0.489ppg So you're saying Dahlin is a whopping 0.023 ppg better than Matt Donovan..... and somehow that translates to generational prospect? OK, lol. Anyway, I'm kidding, I think Dahlin is one of the best D prospects to come around in the past 20 years or so.... but I'm not buying the idea that he's a can't miss prospect, because there's no tangible evidence...... yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) I'm desperate for a savior. Fill up my cup because I'm here to drink some Koolaid. I just hope Dahlin has the Soupy spin-o-rama in his bag of tricks. That move never gets old. Edited June 15, 2018 by Beer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 1) I said Donovan outscored Dahlin... and he did. I'm not talking about PPG. 2) Sorry, that was dudacek who compared him to Forsbeg+Lidstrom. 3) True. 4) Wow, that's an eye-popping 0.023 more points per game than Matt Donovan. Elite status confirmed. So you're saying Dahlin is a whopping 0.023 ppg better than Matt Donovan..... and somehow that translates to generational prospect? OK, lol. Anyway, I'm kidding, I think Dahlin is one of the best D prospects to come around in the past 20 years or so.... but I'm not buying the idea that he's a can't miss prospect, because there's no tangible evidence...... yet. You think a 27 year old man is the same as a 17 year old kid. Love how you're changing the argument now. Dahlin is better then Matt Donovan. Dahlin is can't miss. Edited June 15, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 pi’s cat .... https://media1.tenor.com/images/fa2c3a2bd93e1fe1463797bb7c4b1162/tenor.gif?itemid=8225481 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 29, 2019 Report Share Posted December 29, 2019 On 4/28/2018 at 10:31 PM, LGR4GM said: On 4/28/2018 at 10:31 PM, Fransk Kollektion said: Huge win. If he lives up to potential, he will be the best D-man to don the Blue and Gold. He could be the best player to don blue n gold Full Dickish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 29, 2019 Report Share Posted December 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Full Dickish. Pretty Dickensian. He still could be. He had a better rookie season than Eichel did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 29, 2019 Report Share Posted December 29, 2019 I just told Dom about this thread. He shouted, "I MUST SEE!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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