LGR4GM Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 It's gotten to the point where I don't understand what Liger is trying to convey with his videos anymore. Pi made an outrageous claim/accusation whatever. I am expressing my shock and annoyance with the statement "Kind of like WPG forcing GMTM to take Bogo with Kane." Which is . I know it and he knows it. To explain more, sometimes when people post things that are just eyerollingly wrong, I choose not to post a long winded response but instead of gif of confusion or in the case of Paul Rudd, a "what?" gif. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) He looked so much better than Nylander. It's interesting that during the skills portion of the camp people were talking about Middelstadt fumbling and bumbling and Nylander having feet and hands miles above everyone else. Game time comes and Casey makes plays while Alex looks passive. Some players force their will on the game, others let the game come to them. Both games can work, but Jack and Casey are always going to have wider appeal than Sam and Alex. So far as a pro, Alex is a much better practice player than a game player. When I've seen him, his skill is obvious, but he hasn't seemed to see the same game his linemates do. I wonder if that will change when he is paired with better players. Edited July 11, 2017 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) Pi made an outrageous claim/accusation whatever. I am expressing my shock and annoyance with the statement "Kind of like WPG forcing GMTM to take Bogo with Kane." Which is ######. I know it and he knows it. To explain more, sometimes when people post things that are just eyerollingly wrong, I choose not to post a long winded response but instead of gif of confusion or in the case of Paul Rudd, a "what?" gif. Seriously? How is that "eyerolling" wrong? WPG wanted Bogo and his outrageous contract gone. GMTM wanted Kane, so part of the deal was taking on Bogo's contract. At that time he was an upgrade to tank squad, but he wasn't Murray's target, never was. Getting back to my original point.... if some team wants Nylander, you can bet your ass they'll have to take a toxic contract off our hands along with an appropriate return. Edited July 11, 2017 by pi2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Mittelstadt has good speed and even better shiftiness on his skates, but his stride is funky and choppy. They'll get someone to work with him on that and he'll be an even better skater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Pomminstein and Moulson are gone in two years, Gorges after this year, and Bogo in 3 Winnipeg did not force Bogo, Murray liked him as well I see Pominville and Moulson being bought out next year. Not just for the cap savings (dead money is very reasonable) but they have to make room for the youngsters. And the youngsters need to step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Seriously? How is that "eyerolling" wrong? WPG wanted Bogo and his outrageous contract gone. GMTM wanted Kane, so part of the deal was taking on Bogo's contract. At that time he was an upgrade to tank squad, but he wasn't Murray's target, never was. Getting back to my original point.... if some team wants Nylander, you can bet your ass they'll have to take a toxic contract off our hands along with an appropriate return. This post ignores the fact that WPG swapped Bogo for an equally outrageous Tyler Myers contract. Nobody won on the defensive aspect of that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 This post ignores the fact that WPG swapped Bogo for an equally outrageous Tyler Myers contract. Nobody won on the defensive aspect of that trade. I agree--and I'm still holding out hope for Bogosian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 His style (STYLE, not talent) reminds me more of McDavid. His agility, and speed and shiftiness with the puck is exciting. So you're saying we actually ended up with McEichel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 So you're saying we actually ended up with McEichel? but more American like Bacon Wrapped Cheese Stuffed Cheesburgers. Seriously? How is that "eyerolling" wrong? WPG wanted Bogo and his outrageous contract gone. GMTM wanted Kane, so part of the deal was taking on Bogo's contract. At that time he was an upgrade to tank squad, but he wasn't Murray's target, never was. Getting back to my original point.... if some team wants Nylander, you can bet your ass they'll have to take a toxic contract off our hands along with an appropriate return. If a team wants Nylander you could probably ditch a bad contract in the deal depending on the team. That said I wouldn't shop Nylander in order to dump a bad contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 I just hope Asplund has never watched an NHL game if he's saying that. He could mean one of the better players he's seen while *he* (Asplund) was on the ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 So, did the Rochester 3 show anything? Given their age and development, they should have been dominant. Bailey looked the best of the 3 to me on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 I think Nylander will eventually be moved along with a bad contract. He's not a JBOT type of player. I still don't know what a JBOT type of player is. I'm not sure we've seen enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 but more American like Bacon Wrapped Cheese Stuffed Cheesburgers. If a team wants Nylander you could probably ditch a bad contract in the deal depending on the team. That said I wouldn't shop Nylander in order to dump a bad contract. What if trading Nylander allowed you to dump all 3 though? If we could dump all 3 of Moulson, Gorges, and Bogosian in exchange for Nylander that certainly tips the scales for me to where I'd seriously consider it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Seriously? How is that "eyerolling" wrong? WPG wanted Bogo and his outrageous contract gone. GMTM wanted Kane, so part of the deal was taking on Bogo's contract. At that time he was an upgrade to tank squad, but he wasn't Murray's target, never was. Getting back to my original point.... if some team wants Nylander, you can bet your ass they'll have to take a toxic contract off our hands along with an appropriate return. Your post is implying Bogosian, at the time, was a completely useless and old player with a bad contract. He was a #3 overall pick, still young, and just had some injury issues. His style of play also fit exactly what Murray wanted. Was he the primary target of that trade? No. But definitely wasn't just forced on Murray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 It's interesting that during the skills portion of the camp people were talking about Middelstadt fumbling and bumbling and Nylander having feet and hands miles above everyone else. Game time comes and Casey makes plays while Alex looks passive. Some players force their will on the game, others let the game come to them. Both games can work, but Jack and Casey are always going to have wider appeal than Sam and Alex. So far as a pro, Alex is a much better practice player than a game player. When I've seen him, his skill is obvious, but he hasn't seemed to see the same game his linemates do. I wonder if that will change when he is paired with better players. Sam is a little-flash, no-nonsense player though, whereas Nylander IS generally a player that moreso incorporates excitement and flash into his game. In game competition, Sam has translated his skills, whereas Nylander has generally not, at the pro level, yet. However, Nylander's first pro season was at a year younger than Sam's was, I think we'll see a nice jump from Alex this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 When does everyone expect Mitteldstadt to be NHL ready? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 When does everyone expect Mitteldstadt to be NHL ready? 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Asplund won the Craig Ramsey award for leadership and hard work at Dev Camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Bailey looked the best of the 3 to me on Saturday. He is the best of the 3 but he's never going to get a chance at RW in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Your post is implying Bogosian, at the time, was a completely useless and old player with a bad contract. He was a #3 overall pick, still young, and just had some injury issues. His style of play also fit exactly what Murray wanted. Was he the primary target of that trade? No. But definitely wasn't just forced on Murray How do you know that? Bogo was languishing in WPG, he was bottom of their depth chart with a huge cap number and years left on his term. You honestly think GMTM asked for him in the deal? If anything, WPG wouldn't have made that deal unless they could wash their hands of Bogo. GMTM probably went along with it because he really wanted Kane, and at the time Bogo was an upgrade for the tank D corps(es). I believe Murray would pulled the trigger without Bogo included in the deal. It was WPG who insisted he be included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 I went down and watched a little. Middelstat scored a sweet in close goal popping it up over the goalies shoulder. Everyone applauded. Fasching looked real good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) How do you know that? Bogo was languishing in WPG, he was bottom of their depth chart with a huge cap number and years left on his term. You honestly think GMTM asked for him in the deal? If anything, WPG wouldn't have made that deal unless they could wash their hands of Bogo. GMTM probably went along with it because he really wanted Kane, and at the time Bogo was an upgrade for the tank D corps(es). I believe Murray would pulled the trigger without Bogo included in the deal. It was WPG who insisted he be included. No, he wasn't. He was their 2nd pairing defenseman. Look at his TOI http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/WPG/2015.html I'm not saying he wouldn't have pulled the trigger, what I'm saying is he wasn't forced on him Datsyuck style. If he was, it was probably his shtty attitude, not his cap. Edited July 11, 2017 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 All in all, a decent camp. IMHO it stood out as having the most skilled players as I've seen in camp in years. In years past you could tell some of the guys had no skill whatsoever and were very "confused" at times. This year felt different to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 All in all, a decent camp. IMHO it stood out as having the most skilled players as I've seen in camp in years. In years past you could tell some of the guys had no skill whatsoever and were very "confused" at times. This year felt different to me. The Bottsley effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted July 11, 2017 Report Share Posted July 11, 2017 Even the kid from Penn State whose name I can't remember and I've never heard of and we'll probably never see again looked useful today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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