woods-racer Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) No, that's only millenials From the basement while eating hot pockets. Gotta paint the whole picture. Edit: :P had to throw one of these little guys out there. Edited March 1, 2016 by Woods-Racer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Is that what they eat? Ewwwww... :sick: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 From the basement while eating hot pockets. Gotta paint the whole picture. Edit: :P had to throw one of these little guys out there. I don't think anything will ever be funnier to me than IKP's hot pocket rant. I still laugh every time I read it :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 From the basement while eating hot pockets. Gotta paint the whole picture. Edit: :P had to throw one of these little guys out there. I see your emoji and I raise you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Again, as I mentioned three or four times, what is a 3rd rounder going to buy? Do you really think that sways the deal for a blockbuster trade? What are we going to do with six 3rd round picks in two years, restock Rochester? Well, this year 3rd round picks bought the rentals of Martin Gelinas, Justin Schultz, Mike, Weber, and Teddy Purcell. A couple other trades were a 2nd and a 4th, maybe those trades swing the Sabres way if they're in on it and offer a 3rd to beat out someone else's 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Values have changed. a 1st round pick is pure gold and gets traded less. So the standard currency in the NHL is a 2nd round pick. If you can get a 2nd for a rental you are doing well. 3rd rounders are the next best. Because of the cap and how valuable a cost controlled 1st round pick player is, no one wants to deal those for rentals at the deadline anymore. Because of this the value of the other round picks has increased. That said a 3rd round pick has a what? 15% chance of playing 100 NHL games? Murray has 6 but I doubt that he takes 6 players with those 3rd picks over the next 2 drafts. I would guess we may take 3 players and the rest of those picks will get moved. I would also like to point out we could get lucky and end up with a 2nd for McGinn. I understand though that the "we want better now" people would still be frustrated by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Well, this year 3rd round picks bought the rentals of Martin Gelinas, Justin Schultz, Mike, Weber, and Teddy Purcell. A couple other trades were a 2nd and a 4th, maybe those trades swing the Sabres way if they're in on it and offer a 3rd to beat out someone else's 4th. OK, I can get in line with that. But most of those picks were used to get rentals. By the time the Sabres are actually in a position to need rentals, those 3rd are going to be long gone. I see your point, I just don't see 3rd round picks as significant pieces of a big trade. I'd love to be proven wrong. ;) Edited March 1, 2016 by JJFIVEOH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 OK, I can get in line with that. But most of those picks were used to get rentals. By the time the Sabres are actually in a position to need rentals, those 3rd are going to be long gone. I see your point, I just don't see 3rd round picks as significant pieces of a big trade. I agree, they're not a huge piece, but they might be enough to swing things. Hopefully at the end of next year we're in a position to need a rental player. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 OK, I can get in line with that. But most of those picks were used to get rentals. By the time the Sabres are actually in a position to need rentals, those 3rd are going to be long gone. I see your point, I just don't see 3rd round picks as significant pieces of a big trade. I'd love to be proven wrong. ;) I think if those 3rd round picks are long gone by the time we need then Tim Murray failed at his job miserably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 OK, I can get in line with that. But most of those picks were used to get rentals. By the time the Sabres are actually in a position to need rentals, those 3rd are going to be long gone. I see your point, I just don't see 3rd round picks as significant pieces of a big trade. I'd love to be proven wrong. ;) They're not significant pieces of a big trade, much like Jamie McGinn himself wasn't a big piece in the trade that brought him to Buffalo in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 I don't think anything will ever be funnier to me than IKP's hot pocket rant. I still laugh every time I read it :lol: Please link to this. I hate hot pockets and I need more material than just Jim Gaffigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Jonathan Ericsson 291st Brian Elliott 291st Jannik Hansen 287th Adam Burish 282nd Jaroslav Halak 271st Matt Moulson 263rd Mark Streit 262nd Pekka Rinne 258th Dustin Byfuglien 245th Patric Hornqvist 230th Pavol Demitra 227th Vladimir Konstantinov 221st Anson Carter 220th Johan Hedberg 218th Dave Taylor 210th Ondrej Palat 208th Dominik Hasek 207th Anders Lindback 207th Henrik Lundqvist 205th Joe Pavelski 205th Sergei Kostitsyn 200th Arturs Irbe 196th Brooks Laich 193rd Vladimir Malakhov 191st Mark Stone 178th Ryane Clowe 175th Luc Robitaille 171st Theoren Fleury 166th John-Michael Liles 159th Peter Bondra 156th Brendan Gallagher 147th Andrew Shaw 139th Doug Gilmour 134th Kris Versteeg 134th Daniel Alfredsson 133rd Jamie Benn 129th Steve Larmer 120th Brett Hull 117th Johnny Gaudreau 104th Johan Franzen 97th Valtteri Filppula 95th Jonathan Quick 72nd Cal Clutterbuck 72nd Frederik Andersen 87th More than a few of these guys are/have become good to great NHL players. All were picked in the 3rd round or after. Last year already produced a couple hopefuls in Borgen and Cornel. I trust in GMTM to find a couple more of these types in the next two drafts and if he does, Rochester will become better very soon. In turn, the Sabres will have the depth forwards for injury call ups and future trade bait for the deadlines when they are going for their cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 I haven't read anything in this thread about the long term benefits of keeping McGinn. I empathize with Weave that this is yet another lost season, but having McGinn around for the last ~20 games isn't going to tip the scales toward entertaining hockey for me. Jaime McGinn is a 2nd-3rd line tweener with good offensive instincts who gives his all. He's not a great 2 way player or anything, but I get the sense that he was a valuable veteran presence this year. The young guys need to see that you can be an effective professional without being a crazy in one way or another (Kane, Lehner, O'Reilly). He was an expiring contract. Expiring contracts get traded. If he can't get his payday in UFA I'm sure the Sabres'll be in the mix to sign him (just like they would be if they hadn't traded him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Please link to this. I hate hot pockets and I need more material than just Jim Gaffigan. It's my signature. I think it was one of the early posts in the 'lie about the poster above you' thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Jonathan Ericsson 291st Brian Elliott 291st Jannik Hansen 287th Adam Burish 282nd Jaroslav Halak 271st Matt Moulson 263rd Mark Streit 262nd Pekka Rinne 258th Dustin Byfuglien 245th Patric Hornqvist 230th Pavol Demitra 227th Vladimir Konstantinov 221st Anson Carter 220th Johan Hedberg 218th Dave Taylor 210th Ondrej Palat 208th Dominik Hasek 207th Anders Lindback 207th Henrik Lundqvist 205th Joe Pavelski 205th Sergei Kostitsyn 200th Arturs Irbe 196th Brooks Laich 193rd Vladimir Malakhov 191st Mark Stone 178th Ryane Clowe 175th Luc Robitaille 171st Theoren Fleury 166th John-Michael Liles 159th Peter Bondra 156th Brendan Gallagher 147th Andrew Shaw 139th Doug Gilmour 134th Kris Versteeg 134th Daniel Alfredsson 133rd Jamie Benn 129th Steve Larmer 120th Brett Hull 117th Johnny Gaudreau 104th Johan Franzen 97th Valtteri Filppula 95th Jonathan Quick 72nd Cal Clutterbuck 72nd Frederik Andersen 87th More than a few of these guys are/have become good to great NHL players. All were picked in the 3rd round or after. Last year already produced a couple hopefuls in Borgen and Cornel. I trust in GMTM to find a couple more of these types in the next two drafts and if he does, Rochester will become better very soon. In turn, the Sabres will have the depth forwards for injury call ups and future trade bait for the deadlines when they are going for their cups. I get what you're saying, but that's a list of 24 players spanning at least 25 years. If Tim Murray finds one of the handful of guys out of the 150 that'll be picked in the 3rd thru 7th round this year, hooray! But if none of the guys pan out, I'm not going to cry about it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 ^ I appreciate the effort on that list of the who's who among late round gems. But that's not unlike pinning hopes on finding an elite quarterback in the 6th round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 I think if those 3rd round picks are long gone by the time we need then Tim Murray failed at his job miserably. They're long gone on June 26th 2016. Draft is the 24th and 25th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 They're long gone on June 26th 2016. Draft is the 24th and 25th.3 of them at least will be gone but I bet murray does something with them. Move up in the draft, get a player, something. The 2017 ones I don't expect us to have most of those honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 ^ I appreciate the effort on that list of the who's who among late round gems. But that's not unlike pinning hopes on finding an elite quarterback in the 6th round. Right. That argument is never going to carry the day around here. And it shouldn't. Late round picks working out is not the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 3 of them at least will be gone but I bet murray does something with them. Move up in the draft, get a player, something. The 2017 ones I don't expect us to have most of those honestly. Welcome back by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 This team isn't loaded with prospects anymore. The extra picks will hopefully be used in trades, but I we have a full draft each year over the next two to stock up. Looking at third rounds from 2005-2009 for skaters who have played 100 games or goalies who have played 50: 2009: Tyson Barrie, Brayden McNabb, Reilly Smith, Andrej Nestrasil, Kevin Connauton, Nic Deslauriers, Cody Eakin. 2008: Jori Lehtera, Mike Stone, Michael Hutchinson, Lance Bouma, Adam Henrique, Zack Smith. 2007: Drayson Bowman, Yannick Weber, Alex Killorn, Robert Bortuzzo, Joakim Andersson, Corey Tropp (Players in this round who DIDN'T play ANY NHL games but were worth the pick: Tyson Sexsmith and Luca Cunti). 2006: Brian Strait, Ryan White, Eric Gryba, Steve Mason, Brad Marchand, Cal Clutterbuck, Theo Peckham, Tom Sestito. 2005: Kris Letang, Kris Russell, Jonathan Quick, Cody Franson, Rich Clune, Ben Bishop, Mark Fraser, TJ Hensick. There are a few active players approaching the number who could've been included with an asterisk but they'll get there. That's 35 players out of 150 picks or 23%. Just short of 1 of 4. We've got four thirds. If we use them all then odds say we'll get a player who plays at least 100 NHL games. And it's a conditional third anyways. Could end up as a second. The second round in that span: 2009: Ryan O'Reilly, Carl Klingberg, Kyle Clifford, Alex Chiasson, Jakob Silfverberg, Anton Lander, Robin Lehner, Richard Panik, Dmitri Orlov, Eric Gelinas, Brandon Pirri, Tomas Tatar. 2008: Jacob Markstrom, Slava Voynov, Jake Allen, Roman Josi, Patrick Wiercioch, Justin Schultz, Zac Dalpe, Derek Stepan, Travis Hamonic, Marco Scandella, Jimmy Hayes. 2007: Eric Tangradi, PK Subban, Dana Tyrell, Nick Spaling, TJ Galiardi, Wayne Simmonds. 2006: Michal Neuvirth, Jamie McGinn, Cory Emmerton, Nikolai Kulemin, Jeff Petry, Jhonas Enroth, Shawn Matthias, Milan Lucic, Artem Anisimov, Mike Weber, Jesse Joensuu, Jamie McBain. 2005: James Neal, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Ondrej Pavelec, Justin Abdelkader, Taylor Chorney, Paul Stastny, Mike Blunden, Guillaume Latendresse, Mason Raymond, Adam McQuiad, Marc-Andre Cliche. 52 of 150 picks. Just over 33%. And more quality than above. I think these numbers are right at what I expected, but they're higher than some of the posts lamenting this pick seem to indicate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Hoss -- now that is some excellent work. Thanks. I especially appreciated the reference to Cunti. Separately: it occurs to me that two 3rds could be packaged for a 2nd, or something like that. In any case, as others have posted, it's pretty unlikely that the Sabres keep and use all of their zillion 3rds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Welcome back by the wayThanks. During my... vacation, I aquire some perspective. Good post hoss, I think getting something Mcginn was helpful and if we're lucky it will turn into something more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Couldn't we all agree this team should have more points and more goals and fans can rightly be at least somewhat disappointed in the objective measures of this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Hoss -- now that is some excellent work. Thanks. I especially appreciated the reference to Cunti. Separately: it occurs to me that two 3rds could be packaged for a 2nd, or something like that. In any case, as others have posted, it's pretty unlikely that the Sabres keep and use all of their zillion 3rds. For that to be considered relevant to the discussion we shouldn't compare how many played 100 games, but how many have played 400+ games and have scored close to 20 goals/82 game pace over the last 3 years. I bet the percentages drop considerably. Edited March 1, 2016 by JJFIVEOH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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