thewookie1 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 So if Nikita said, "Come, Wookie! We get in my car and go to Russian nightclub with Nikita's babes!" You wouldn't be interested in departing with him? Seeing as he just got married, I wouldn't want to be in any of the pictures that would circulate. :flirt: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 The original post suggested that it would lead to change which would suggest someone thinks it's not worth it. I think the Blackhawks have shown the way to navigate during the cap era. Obviously at some point they might have to make a hard decision with their stars but it looks like it is still years away. Well, they've shown how to navigate when you inherit a team with three hall of fame level players anyway. I guess the real question should be how you get to that point in the first place. I don't think there's any specific template for success in the cap era given that the rules seem to be re-written every five years or so after the each round of CBA changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Well, they've shown how to navigate when you inherit a team with three hall of fame level players anyway. I guess the real question should be how you get to that point in the first place. I don't think there's any specific template for success in the cap era given that the rules seem to be re-written every five years or so after the each round of CBA changes. I count 4 -- Toews, Kane, Hossa and Keith -- although arguably Hossa was proactively acquired, not inherited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I count 4 -- Toews, Kane, Hossa and Keith -- although arguably Hossa was proactively acquired, not inherited. I knew someone would mention him. You even gave my already prepared answer for me. Nice work. I forget the exact time line with Tallon/Bowman, but Hossa was signed by Bowman, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I knew someone would mention him. You even gave my already prepared answer for me. Nice work. I forget the exact time line with Tallon/Bowman, but Hossa was signed by Bowman, right? Nope. Hossa was Tallon's last move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 And most around the Hawks will say the key move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Dreger: Cam Talbot is a hot commodity. Edmtn, Cgy, SJ, Dallas + Florida have expressed interest. Multiple trade offers. First 3 most likely targets. We're not on that list. Probably a good thing if there's a bidding war going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The reason I favour Lehner is that he is the only goalie of all those available that fits our age group and has a chance to grow with the team (assuming the reports of a Jones signing being imminent). I'd rather draft Samsonov at 31 than trade that pick for Talbot or Lack. I agree with both...but it would probably be Blackwood or Vlader at 31, Samsonov will most likely go in the first round, one way or another. Plus, Murray knows and likes Lehner, as I have shared (quotes) before...I think he's my favorite, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Dreger: Cam Talbot is a hot commodity. Edmtn, Cgy, SJ, Dallas + Florida have expressed interest. Multiple trade offers. First 3 most likely targets. We're not on that list. Probably a good thing if there's a bidding war going on. Lehner is the only available goalie that fits what Murray said he is looking for in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Lehner is the only available goalie that fits what Murray said he is looking for in a trade. And Lack/Markstrom. Murray has said that he doesn't care about the age of a goalie. Interested in a wide range there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 And Lack/Markstrom. Murray has said that he doesn't care about the age of a goalie. Interested in a wide range there. Markstrom, yes. Lack is stretching it at 27. He said he is open to whatever works, but as far as a trade goes, he said he was interested in younger guys. I was glad when they asked him about being better next year, his immediate reaction was about finding a goalie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Markstrom, yes. Lack is stretching it at 27. He said he is open to whatever works, but as far as a trade goes, he said he was interested in younger guys. I was glad when they asked him about being better next year, his immediate reaction was about finding a goalie. He very clearly stated that he wouldn't even mind acquiring a 30+ year old goalie. I think it's safe to say 27 is also a consideration. Said he is open to anything at the position. And 27 isn't even old anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesportsbuff Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 And 27 isn't even old anyways. Yep. People have been mentioning Talbot for weeks/months, and he's about to be 28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Yep. People have been mentioning Talbot for weeks/months, and he's about to be 28.He's too old. Dreger must be lying: Should add Buffalo to the list of teams chasing Cam Talbot. Edmtn, Buf, SJ pretty eager. Dal, Fla and Cgy have some interest as well. My guess is we have one of Talbot, Lehner or Lack by the end of draft day. One of those three will start. Then Johnson or another backup will be signed. Edited June 18, 2015 by Hoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Markstrom, yes. Lack is stretching it at 27. He said he is open to whatever works, but as far as a trade goes, he said he was interested in younger guys. I was glad when they asked him about being better next year, his immediate reaction was about finding a goalie. He said youngish, I think he'd be fine with someone around 27-28. "I've talked to 5 teams about goalies that they have, we've got a list of free agent goalies. So the basic plan is we have to get a goalie, that's for sure. But it's always a moving plan, and i've said that all along, but we would love to trade for a goalie...we would love to trade for a youngish goalie. If that doesn't work, we would trade for a real good short term goalie, who's older. If we could sign the best or 2nd best free agent goalie we'd be happy with that too. So you're working it every day and you're trying to find out, first the goalies that are available via trade, what the price is, and can you afford that price, and at the end of the day if you can't then you have to move on to plan B." Edited June 18, 2015 by Lanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 If Van is looking to deal Lack, probably means Markstrom isn't available, but he's always been interesting to me. He was supposed to be the next great goaltender and has had outstanding numbers in the AHL, but for whatever reason he's been unable to transition to the NHL. Jonathan Willis had an article awhile back how he'd be a low cost high reward acquisition for some team with a goalie hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 @stevezipay: A Cam Talbot trade could get them a second-rounder, plus, we're hearing Rangers Beat Reporter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) If Van is looking to deal Lack, probably means Markstrom isn't available, but he's always been interesting to me. He was supposed to be the next great goaltender and has had outstanding numbers in the AHL, but for whatever reason he's been unable to transition to the NHL. Jonathan Willis had an article awhile back how he'd be a low cost high reward acquisition for some team with a goalie hole. Markstrom is my second choice after Lehner. Canucks did a lot of work with him this year and he was outstanding in Utica. Benning said he and Lack are both being shopped. But obviously they are only trading one and Lack is a UFA next year. Miller passing the torch to Markstrom seems to be Benning's preferred plan. @stevezipay: A Cam Talbot trade could get them a second-rounder, plus, we're hearing Rangers Beat Reporter Talbot apparently has the most demand and might be the priciest and the first shoe to drop. Lack and Lehner will follow and the team(s) left over will take their pick from Neuvirth, Niemi, Ramo, Dubnyk, etc. More goalies than openings so we will likely get one of the above and I doubt we will have to pay much. Edited June 18, 2015 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) @DaveDavisHockey: The insider consensus is that the Oilers are on a mission and will outbid everybody. Re Talbot Does this mean they are willing to part with 16 to get him? Edited June 19, 2015 by BRAWNDO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 @DaveDavisHockey: The insider consensus is that the Oilers are on a mission and will outbid everybody. Re Talbot Does this mean they are willing to part with 16 to get him? New GM, same old Oiler's (i.e. poor decisions). No way is Talbot worth 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Remember Corey Schneider got a 9th overall pick. Obviously a much better goalie than Talbot or anyone else we are talking about. 16th for Talbot is foolish IMPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 New GM, same old Oiler's (i.e. poor decisions). No way is Talbot worth 16 No way do you get trade 16 for Talbot. I don't even think you trade 33 for Talbot. 57? Maybe the Oil trades 57. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) If Van is looking to deal Lack, probably means Markstrom isn't available, but he's always been interesting to me. He was supposed to be the next great goaltender and has had outstanding numbers in the AHL, but for whatever reason he's been unable to transition to the NHL. Jonathan Willis had an article awhile back how he'd be a low cost high reward acquisition for some team with a goalie hole. If Van is looking to deal Lack, probably means Markstrom isn't available, but he's always been interesting to me. He was supposed to be the next great goaltender and has had outstanding numbers in the AHL, but for whatever reason he's been unable to transition to the NHL. Jonathan Willis had an article awhile back how he'd be a low cost high reward acquisition for some team with a goalie hole. I could be wrong but I think its Ed Willis Not sure how I double quoted you :blush: Edited June 19, 2015 by bunomatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 I ain't trading anything for any goalies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Prices paid for Stanley Cup-winning goaltenders: 2015: Corey Crawford - 2003 2nd round pick (53rd overall by CHI) 2014: Jonathan Quick - 2005 3rd round pick (72nd overall by LA) 2013: Corey Crawford - 2003 2nd round pick (53rd overall by CHI) 2012: Jonathan Quick - 2005 3rd round pick (72nd overall by LA) 2011: Tim Thomas - 2005 free agent signing 2010: Antti Niemi - 2008 undrafted free agent 2009: Marc-Andre Fleury - 2003 1st round pick (1st overall) 2008: Chris Osgood - 2005 free agent signing 2007: JS Giguere - acquired for a 2000 2nd round pick 2006: Cam Ward - 2002 first round pick (22n overall by CAR) 2005: Nikolai Khabibulin - acquire for three players and a 2nd round pick 2004: Martin Brodeur - 1990 first round pick (20th overall by NJ) Thomas, Niemi and Osgood are the only from that list that weren't acquired using at least a 3rd round pick. I disagree with this sudden assertion that goalies come from a magical land in the country of LateRoundPicktopia. I understand an argument that says getting one right now for a 2nd might be early on the timeline of success, but I think it's important to get somebody competent in there right now. Build some confidence in the kids that will be here for the next forever. The sooner the better on a good goalie. I'm 100% willing to spend a 2nd round pick on a goalie. And more. Get one Timmy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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