mjd1001 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Ryan Miller Last year with Sabres, .923 save percentage With Blues: .903 This year with Canucks: .913 Jonas Enroth Last year with Sabres: .911 This year with Sabres: .903 This year with Stars: .873 Neuvirth This year with Sabres: .918 With Isles: .882 Anders Lindback With Sabres this year: .926 With Stars: .875 Why is it with just about everyone they try, the goalies are playing better for the Sabres than anywhere else? And the difference in numbers is pretty dramatic in most cases, not just a case of simply 'seeing more shots'? Edited March 25, 2015 by mjd1001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Ryan Miller Last year with Sabres, .923 save percentage GAA 2.72 With Blues: .903 GAA 2.47 This year with Canucks: .913 GAA 2.47 Jonas Enroth Last year with Sabres: .911 GAA 2.82 This year with Sabres: .903 GAA 3.27 This year with Stars: .873 GAA 3.35 Neuvirth This year with Sabres: .918 GAA 2.99 With Isles: .882 GAA 2.91 Anders Lindback With Sabres this year: .926 GAA 2.67 With Stars: .875 GAA 3.71 Why is it with just about everyone they try, the goalies are playing better for the Sabres than anywhere else? And the difference in numbers is pretty dramatic in most cases, not just a case of simply 'seeing more shots'? Numbers aren't as dramatic when one looks at the goals per 60 minutes given up. The style the Sabres play leads to a LOT of initial shots from outside or bad angles. Tends to inflate the S%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I think the biggest difference is that the opponent tends to take its foot off the gas when playing the Sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Numbers aren't as dramatic when one looks at the goals per 60 minutes given up. The style the Sabres play leads to a LOT of initial shots from outside or bad angles. Tends to inflate the S%. My brain = shattered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Fact, the nets are smaller in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Fact, the nets are smaller in Buffalo. Fact, the pucks are bigger too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Another thing you see is that Buffalo can't hold possession even against 3rd and 4th lines. These guys, usually playing with a lead, are taking tons of low percentage shots. They are generally only out there to win the zone, - so they fire away. I think Nashville's 4th line the other night took about 12 shots in about 12 minutes. (or at least it looked like that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastajoe Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Maybe they're more relaxed playing for Buffalo knowing everyone expects they are going to lose, while with their new teams they are under pressure to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Miller is average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Miller is average All fear the Impaler!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 With the exception of Miller, the others went from semi-starters to backups or vice versa. Apparently it's a lot easier for a goalie to get into a rhythm with regular work, plus, each knows that at least for now, playing well will get you more starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 But everybody knows players always play better after they leave Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Familiarity, scheme, and knowing what you have in front of them. I would say Miller is superior to both in terms of his reads most of the time. Neuvirth showed to be coming on and I really hope he's targeted this offseason. If he wants to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 With the exception of Miller, the others went from semi-starters to backups or vice versa. Apparently it's a lot easier for a goalie to get into a rhythm with regular work, plus, each knows that at least for now, playing well will get you more starts. Makes you wonder if GMTM is looking at the backup goalie UFA market.... take the best backup and give him playing time = solid starter? (And maybe that's our current starter but I don't see GMTM limiting his search to stock on hand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Something something sample size something blah. What we're most likely seeing is the inherent randomness in goaltending playing out before our eyes. It just takes a huge number of shots to be reasonably certain how good a guy is, and even then, there's going to be significant yearly swings, to say nothing of game to game variation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Does anyone here want to take a run at Bernier this summer? Possible victim of the Leaf purge and in line for a new contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Does anyone here want to take a run at Bernier this summer? Possible victim of the Leaf purge and in line for a new contract. Depending on price (both his and Leafs) absolutely. Legit starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Miller is average No, he just wasn't elite. Unless the Olympics were right around the corner. And now I will punch a big, old-school stapler into my right thigh, very near the family jewels, over and over to try and release the pain from my soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Ryan Miller Last year with Sabres, .923 save percentage With Blues: .903 This year with Canucks: .913 Jonas Enroth Last year with Sabres: .911 This year with Sabres: .903 This year with Stars: .873 Neuvirth This year with Sabres: .918 With Isles: .882 Anders Lindback With Sabres this year: .926 With Stars: .875 Why is it with just about everyone they try, the goalies are playing better for the Sabres than anywhere else? And the difference in numbers is pretty dramatic in most cases, not just a case of simply 'seeing more shots'? Sabres allow tons of shots, many of which aren't necessarily great chances just a result of the other team being in our zone a lot...this likely inflates our goaltender's numbers quite a bit... Wonder if GM's around the league will start looking at this and not believing our goalies are that good when trading for them in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Wonder if GM's around the league will start looking at this and not believing our goalies are that good when trading for them in the future Only if the Sabres continue to play a high-shot-count defense. If, once the tank is complete, they have a neutral Corsi number and have about the same SOG as opponents, then the last two years will be viewed as an aberration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Only if the Sabres continue to play a high-shot-count defense. If, When once the tank is complete, they have a neutral Corsi number and have about the same SOG as opponents, then the last two years will be viewed as an aberration. Fixed. :flirt: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 No, you actually broke it. The if is linked to the neutral Corsi number phrase, not the tank is complete phrase. What I'm saying is if the Corsi number goes back to neutral, the recent Corsis will be seen as an aberration. But I don't expect that to change until the tank is over so I squeezed that clause (once the tank is over) in there between the commas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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