Taro T Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 I hate to give credence to conspiracy theories. That said, I think Toronto is a dark horse candidate for a bottom-5 finish. I'm more fearful that Filly will end up there. But if TO doesn't come out of the gate quickly like they normally do, their traditional late season swoon might make them uncatchable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 I don't think the fix will be in for a most-favoured team to win the lottery. I just think it's how the universe works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 I'm more fearful that Filly will end up there. I think they are widely viewed as the leading dark horse candidate to be terrible. Which probably means they somehow manage to finish second in their division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 The best example to point at each time conspiracy theories pop up for the NHL: The New York Rangers were tied for the highest odds of winning the lottery for Sydney Crosby. Where did he wind up? Pittsburgh. And it saved the franchise of a Favorite Son... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 The best example to point at each time conspiracy theories pop up for the NHL: The New York Rangers were tied for the highest odds of winning the lottery for Sydney Crosby. Where did he wind up? Pittsburgh. So were the Sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 The best example to point at each time conspiracy theories pop up for the NHL: The New York Rangers were tied for the highest odds of winning the lottery for Sydney Crosby. Where did he wind up? Pittsburgh. And he saved a storied and failing franchise. I am not saying it will happen but Toronto is definitely in the running for a lottery pick. As for the Islanders, they have improved their forwards since last year. Strome, Grabovski and even Kulemin give them some strong options for that 2nd line going forward. Now they are marginally still a craptastrophe on defense but also added better GT. All an all I think it will be a net gain for the Islanders and we are looking at a team 11-15 range. They could conceivably sneak into the playoffs or they could be mediocre again. Hard to say but they remind of the the 2011-2013 Sabres. Adding some UFA talent while letting some others go hoping to hit the magical chemistry jackpot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Is there any way the NHL could conduct the lottery without arousing suspicion? I'm serious. Would cloistered nuns using their bingo ball cage be enough to satisfy people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Is there any way the NHL could conduct the lottery without arousing suspicion? I'm serious. Would cloistered nuns using their bingo ball cage be enough to satisfy people? I'd like to see the lottery painstakingly broadcast live. Like, here's each team's allotment of balls. Here's them going into the spinner. Here's each ball selection. Give me video proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHawerchuk10 Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 I know I'm repeating myself here, but I really believe the last-season-in-Nassau factor will be significant. The atmosphere in the building will range between dead and hostile, with plenty of support most nights for the opponents. I think you're looking at a good 10%-20% point reduction based on that factor alone (relative to how they would do in a normal home arena). The atmosphere you describe in Nassau Coliseum is exactly the same as it has been or the past 10 years. I don't see how it could get any worse (hostile might be an upgrade over the total indifference I normally see there). If anything, it may get better depending on how many nostalgic Islander fans out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Theories aside, say buffalo lands between 5 - 10, and the isles' pick is somewhere 11 - 20, would two #1s be enough to get the first pick, or an overpayment? Save the facepalm and head-shaking icons, I'm no draft pick expert. Just asking an honest question. Personally, I would think two #1s in those ranges would also require an additional pick the following year and maybe even a prospect. Am I way off base? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 I'd like to see the lottery painstakingly broadcast live. Like, here's each team's allotment of balls. Here's them going into the spinner. Here's each ball selection. Give me video proof. Yeah i always wonder why that needs to be behind closed doors . Theories aside, say buffalo lands between 5 - 10, and the isles' pick is somewhere 11 - 20, would two #1s be enough to get the first pick, or an overpayment? Save the facepalm and head-shaking icons, I'm no draft pick expert. Just asking an honest question. Personally, I would think two #1s in those ranges would also require an additional pick the following year and maybe even a prospect. Am I way off base? Yeah, but no one is letting go of Mcdavid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 No one is trading number one next year. Or number two for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Theories aside, say buffalo lands between 5 - 10, and the isles' pick is somewhere 11 - 20, would two #1s be enough to get the first pick, or an overpayment? Save the facepalm and head-shaking icons, I'm no draft pick expert. Just asking an honest question. Personally, I would think two #1s in those ranges would also require an additional pick the following year and maybe even a prospect. Am I way off base? You couldn't trade the #2 pick + #3 pick to get up to #1 next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Yeah i always wonder why that needs to be behind closed doors . Yeah, but no one is letting go of Mcdavid. Because if that isn't behind closed doors then they can't show 14, 13, 12, ... They can show 1 only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 I know I'm repeating myself here, but I really believe the last-season-in-Nassau factor will be significant. The atmosphere in the building will range between dead and hostile, with plenty of support most nights for the opponents. I think you're looking at a good 10%-20% point reduction based on that factor alone (relative to how they would do in a normal home arena). The atmosphere you describe in Nassau Coliseum is exactly the same as it has been or the past 10 years. I don't see how it could get any worse (hostile might be an upgrade over the total indifference I normally see there). If anything, it may get better depending on how many nostalgic Islander fans out there. Can't see how a team's last year in a historic venue would damage the fans' atmosphere at the games; I feel like if anything it might help them a little. Can't say I'm not hoping you're right though nfreeman Have we forgotten about Carolina for the McDavid sweepstakes? Haven't done anything in FA yet, and if the rumors are right then and they're shopping Ward and Staal, they will easily be a bottom 5 team next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Theories aside, say buffalo lands between 5 - 10, and the isles' pick is somewhere 11 - 20, would two #1s be enough to get the first pick, or an overpayment? Save the facepalm and head-shaking icons, I'm no draft pick expert. Just asking an honest question. Personally, I would think two #1s in those ranges would also require an additional pick the following year and maybe even a prospect. Am I way off base? I'd trade the next 3 entire drafts for #1 next year, and the team that had it would still say no. Short of kidnapping the GM's family, there is zero chance a team trades #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Cody Conacher - Still young, but career sputtering since his rookie campaign. I didn't know Cory had a brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 And it saved the franchise of a Favorite Son... That versus putting the face of your league for the next 15 years in the top market in North America and possibly the world? There is no comparison. Anyone who would seriously argue that a conspiracy wanted him in Pittsburgh over New York, well let's just say I have multiple bridges I'd like to sell to that person. It's nothing more than trying to create a justification in hindsight. Then again, that's pretty much what conspiracy theories are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 I didn't know Cory had a brother. And another, Cary, named after the star of Robin Hood: Men in Tights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Cody Conacher - Still young, but career sputtering since his rookie campaign. I didn't know Cory had a brother. wow. good stuff there. "toes"? mobile autocorrect strikes again. yeah. nothing gets by you, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 I'd like to see the lottery painstakingly broadcast live. Like, here's each team's allotment of balls. Here's them going into the spinner. Here's each ball selection. Give me video proof. I wouldn't believe it anyway after the job they did faking the moon landing back in '69. :ph34r: yeah. nothing gets by you, man. My hockey IQ sucks, I just watch the games. My participation on the forum is (rightly) limited to comic relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Is there any way the NHL could conduct the lottery without arousing suspicion? I'm serious. Would cloistered nuns using their bingo ball cage be enough to satisfy people? I'm still not happy with St. Philomena's Riding Lawnmower raffle. The Bachmeyers have won that thing 3 times in 12 years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byebye Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 After reading through this entire thread, I'm really starting to wonder if some of the people here even watch the NHL or now what's going on. Pretty sad actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 After reading through this entire thread, I'm really starting to wonder if some of the people here even watch the NHL or now what's going on. Pretty sad actually. Sick generalization bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 After reading through this entire thread, I'm really starting to wonder if some of the people here even watch the NHL or now what's going on. Pretty sad actually. I didn't know Cory had a brother. I'm not allowed to call anyone that went to Canisius by their first name. After reading through this entire thread, I'm really starting to wonder if some of the people here even watch the NHL or now what's going on. Pretty sad actually. So, what's your take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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