SwampD Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Confirmed: https://twitter.com/emptynetters/status/560199034749857792?s=09 That is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagBoy Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Dom was unquestionably the best for a few years, but career-wise, I'll take Brodeur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Dom was unquestionably the best for a few years, but career-wise, I'll take Brodeur. Don't forget, Dom couldn't get out of Czechoslovakia until he was 25. He was named the best goalie in the world's 3rd best league 5 straight years and their equivalent of the Hart Trophy winner 3 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Ya! Sabres hockey!! Did they hand out free beers for the game? Or is everyone a drunk there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Oh man! And we start the second half of the season with a 100% pp rating!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Oh man! And we start the second half of the season with a 100% pp rating!! Wrong thread. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Oh man! And we start the second half of the season with a 100% pp rating!! I think you're in the wrong thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Oops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Penguins trade Marcel Goc to St Louis for Max Lapierre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 IMO Brodeur was the best goalie of this era (1980 onward), with Roy 2nd and Dom 3rd. All he did was win. He was fantastic from day 1 for almost half his life. You are out of your mind. In the history of the world, it's either Tretiak or Hasek. In the NHL, it's Hasek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 You are out of your mind. In the history of the world, it's either Tretiak or Hasek. In the NHL, it's Hasek. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagBoy Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 You are out of your mind. In the history of the world, it's either Tretiak or Hasek. In the NHL, it's Hasek. I don't buy it. Hasek was a flash in the pan compared to Brodeur. 21 NHL seasons, 691 wins, 125 shutouts, 17 playoffs, and oh yeah, by the way 3 cups, not to mention 2 gold medals. Hasek won individual awards for a few years, but Brodeur was a vital part of a successful team for 2 decades. Brodeur was also the best puck-handling goalie ever, and as a result oponents had to change the way they approached entering the offensive zone, lest Brodeur end up with a shutout and 3 assists. This allowed New Jersey to perfect the neutral zone trap. He wasn't just one of the greatest goalies ever, he was practically a 3rd defenseman. The trapezoids behind the nets only happened because of Brodeur. Look, I know Dom was untouchable for a few years, but when you look at it objectively from a historical perspective, Brodeur had a far better career and far bigger impact on the game itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I don't buy it. Hasek was a flash in the pan compared to Brodeur. 21 NHL seasons, 691 wins, 125 shutouts, 17 playoffs, and oh yeah, by the way 3 cups, not to mention 2 gold medals. Hasek won individual awards for a few years, but Brodeur was a vital part of a successful team for 2 decades. Brodeur was also the best puck-handling goalie ever, and as a result oponents had to change the way they approached entering the offensive zone, lest Brodeur end up with a shutout and 3 assists. This allowed New Jersey to perfect the neutral zone trap. He wasn't just one of the greatest goalies ever, he was practically a 3rd defenseman. The trapezoids behind the nets only happened because of Brodeur. Look, I know Dom was untouchable for a few years, but when you look at it objectively from a historical perspective, Brodeur had a far better career and far bigger impact on the game itself. Brodeur didn't have to wait for a wall to come down in order to play in the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I don't buy it. Hasek was a flash in the pan compared to Brodeur. 21 NHL seasons, 691 wins, 125 shutouts, 17 playoffs, and oh yeah, by the way 3 cups, not to mention 2 gold medals. Hasek won individual awards for a few years, but Brodeur was a vital part of a successful team for 2 decades. Brodeur was also the best puck-handling goalie ever, and as a result oponents had to change the way they approached entering the offensive zone, lest Brodeur end up with a shutout and 3 assists. This allowed New Jersey to perfect the neutral zone trap. He wasn't just one of the greatest goalies ever, he was practically a 3rd defenseman. The trapezoids behind the nets only happened because of Brodeur. Look, I know Dom was untouchable for a few years, but when you look at it objectively from a historical perspective, Brodeur had a far better career and far bigger impact on the game itself. A lot of numbers here, and you manage to exclude the one that truly matters: career save percentage. Brodeur is at .912 while Hasek is .922--that's a massive difference. Additionally, Hasek's sv% was consistently much higher above the league average than Brodeur's. Hasek was also the first goaltender in decades to win the Hart, and he won two, as compared to Brodeur's zero. Brodeur is an all-time great and his longevity needs to be respected, but he never had to carry a team the way Hasek did. Wins, Cups, shutouts...those are all team stats and a poor way to rank goaltenders. Below is a really good breakdown of the debate: http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.com/2009/03/brodeur-roy-and-hasek-debate-rages-on.html http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.com/2008/10/save-percentage-vs-league-average.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 A lot of numbers here, and you manage to exclude the one that truly matters: career save percentage. Brodeur is at .912 while Hasek is .922--that's a massive difference. Additionally, Hasek's sv% was consistently much higher above the league average than Brodeur's. Hasek was also the first goaltender in decades to win the Hart, and he won two, as compared to Brodeur's zero. Brodeur is an all-time great and his longevity needs to be respected, but he never had to carry a team the way Hasek did. Wins, Cups, shutouts...those are all team stats and a poor way to rank goaltenders. Below is a really good breakdown of the debate: http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.com/2009/03/brodeur-roy-and-hasek-debate-rages-on.html http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.com/2008/10/save-percentage-vs-league-average.html It reminds me of the Pedro Martinez talk in baseball. He may not have had as long of a career as other guys, but many people will say that Pedro at his peak was the most dominant pitcher that ever lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 It reminds me of the Pedro Martinez talk in baseball. He may not have had as long of a career as other guys, but many people will say that Pedro at his peak was the most dominant pitcher that ever lived. As Jim Rome used to say, he's the baddest 165 lbs man on the planet I don't buy it. Hasek was a flash in the pan compared to Brodeur. 21 NHL seasons, 691 wins, 125 shutouts, 17 playoffs, and oh yeah, by the way 3 cups, not to mention 2 gold medals. Hasek won individual awards for a few years, but Brodeur was a vital part of a successful team for 2 decades. Brodeur was also the best puck-handling goalie ever, and as a result oponents had to change the way they approached entering the offensive zone, lest Brodeur end up with a shutout and 3 assists. This allowed New Jersey to perfect the neutral zone trap. He wasn't just one of the greatest goalies ever, he was practically a 3rd defenseman. The trapezoids behind the nets only happened because of Brodeur. Look, I know Dom was untouchable for a few years, but when you look at it objectively from a historical perspective, Brodeur had a far better career and far bigger impact on the game itself. I think we'd be remiss to not say that MB played in one of the most prolific defensive systems professional sports has ever seen. His team didn't even try to play offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Greening cleared waivers. No love from Murray on one of his old players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I don't buy it. Hasek was a flash in the pan compared to Brodeur. 21 NHL seasons, 691 wins, 125 shutouts, 17 playoffs, and oh yeah, by the way 3 cups, not to mention 2 gold medals. Hasek won individual awards for a few years, but Brodeur was a vital part of a successful team for 2 decades. Brodeur was also the best puck-handling goalie ever, and as a result oponents had to change the way they approached entering the offensive zone, lest Brodeur end up with a shutout and 3 assists. This allowed New Jersey to perfect the neutral zone trap. He wasn't just one of the greatest goalies ever, he was practically a 3rd defenseman. The trapezoids behind the nets only happened because of Brodeur. Look, I know Dom was untouchable for a few years, but when you look at it objectively from a historical perspective, Brodeur had a far better career and far bigger impact on the game itself. By that standard, having to change the rules to neutralize one player, Rob Ray is in the conversation for best forward in history. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I don't buy it. Hasek was a flash in the pan compared to Brodeur. 21 NHL seasons, 691 wins, 125 shutouts, 17 playoffs, and oh yeah, by the way 3 cups, not to mention 2 gold medals. Hasek won individual awards for a few years, but Brodeur was a vital part of a successful team for 2 decades. Brodeur was also the best puck-handling goalie ever, and as a result oponents had to change the way they approached entering the offensive zone, lest Brodeur end up with a shutout and 3 assists. This allowed New Jersey to perfect the neutral zone trap. He wasn't just one of the greatest goalies ever, he was practically a 3rd defenseman. The trapezoids behind the nets only happened because of Brodeur. Look, I know Dom was untouchable for a few years, but when you look at it objectively from a historical perspective, Brodeur had a far better career and far bigger impact on the game itself. I still hate the trapezoid. Every time I watch a game from back in the day I'm entertained by goalies coming way out to play the puck. The trapezoid is awful. Awful Awful Awful. And if Brodeur really is to blame for it, then he can suck a lemon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I still hate the trapezoid. Every time I watch a game from back in the day I'm entertained by goalies coming way out to play the puck. The trapezoid is awful. Awful Awful Awful. And if Brodeur really is to blame for it, then he can suck a lemon. I really enjoyed the goalie playing the puck as well, but the best was probably the way Dom Hasek would come full bore out to prevent a breakaway. It was like a train wreck in the slot. Now that was hockey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I really enjoyed the goalie playing the puck as well, but the best was probably the way Dom Hasek would come full bore out to prevent a breakaway. It was like a train wreck in the slot. Now that was hockey! I miss the "single up the middle". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I miss the "single up the middle". haha. I was always amazed how brazen he was with that move. ZFG if there was a opponent right in his face, that puppy was getting swatted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I still hate the trapezoid. Every time I watch a game from back in the day I'm entertained by goalies coming way out to play the puck. The trapezoid is awful. Awful Awful Awful. And if Brodeur really is to blame for it, then he can suck a lemon. It does suck. Why the heck did they make it bigger? Just GET RID OF IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 It does suck. Why the heck did they make it bigger? Just GET RID OF IT. "We want the game to be more exciting, what should we do?" "We could get rid of the trapezoid." "No, that's too exciting. We don't want things to be that exciting." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Any time any league makes a rule because of one player, it's a bad rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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