WildCard Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Once upon a time Stan Bowman and Peter Chiarelli were unproven. For me, it's a lot of stuff. With bringing back Nolan and LaFontaine, I'd prefer to go outside of the team's history. Also, I want a guy that will put together the roster and grow with it. He'll bring guys in and then build around them as he learns more of who they are. Also, Dudley has nothing to prove. If he fails, it's whatever. He's already been to the top. Well put, both of you. This is definitely something I overlooked, and I think you're right. I want someone determined, someone pissed off and ready to make a team that really means something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Someone get Pat on the phone. We've decided we want Botterill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Someone get Pat on the phone. We've decided we want Botterill. Make sure I'm not a part of that phone call. I'd take Loiselle first. Just as respected a financials guy and was part of a rebuild that didn't include Crosby or Malkin (also didn't include a cup, but the Leafs are still trending up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Shannon's +/- Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Why are people in favor of these younger candidates over Dudley? Genuine question, IMHOP I'd rather have the guy who's done it, twice, in our exact situation, than an unproven assistant gm I'm scared off by Dudley's horrifying draft record with the Lightning, but even more so his inability to be able to hold onto a job for more than a year or so at a time. Given that track record, I assume he's probably a horrible coworker and a problem. Oh yeah, and the fact that Bucky is pushing for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Who? City Mattress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Other important considerations for Botterill are the following: In addition to managing the cap and handling contract negotiations, Botterill manages the Penguins' hockey operations department. He also runs AHL affiliate Wilkes-Barre/Scranton and assists on scouting. I see it in the article where it says he runs the AHL affiliate, I just can't find it anywhere else. I know he's not the CEO in Wilkes Barre/Scranton. I'm wondering what position he holds or if this is a fact checking error by the author. Can anyone help me out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 What scares me is how young he is but he seems to handle a big worklosd as GM of Wilkes Barre and asst Gm in Pitt. JASON BOTTERILL Assistant General Manager Jason Botterill is in his fifth full season as assistant general manager after being promoted to his current position in May, 2009, by GM Ray Shero. As assistant GM, Botterill works closely with Shero on all hockey-related matters, including scouting, player development and contract negotiations. He also manages hockey operations and acts as GM for the club’s top minor-league affiliate, Wilkes-Barre/Scranton of the American Hockey League. http://penguins.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=56243 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 I'd much rather have Botterill than Loiselle. The Leafs are caught in the same mediocrity boat that we were floating in the last several years. They aren't exactly trending up or down IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 What scares me is how young he is but he seems to handle a big worklosd as GM of Wilkes Barre and asst Gm in Pitt. JASON BOTTERILL Assistant General Manager Jason Botterill is in his fifth full season as assistant general manager after being promoted to his current position in May, 2009, by GM Ray Shero. As assistant GM, Botterill works closely with Shero on all hockey-related matters, including scouting, player development and contract negotiations. He also manages hockey operations and acts as GM for the club’s top minor-league affiliate, Wilkes-Barre/Scranton of the American Hockey League. http://penguins.nhl....ge.htm?id=56243 In this age of sports executives, 37 years old is not all that uncommon as evidenced by successful GMs like Stan Bowman (age 40) and Theo Epstein (age 39) who both have won multiple championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 I'd much rather have Botterill than Loiselle. The Leafs are caught in the same mediocrity boat that we were floating in the last several years. They aren't exactly trending up or down IMHO. And the Leafs hate analytics. Of course, that won't exactly be a mark against Loiselle for many around here :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 I'd much rather have Botterill than Loiselle. The Leafs are caught in the same mediocrity boat that we were floating in the last several years. They aren't exactly trending up or down IMHO. Me too. The Leafs are much, much better than they were when Burke took over, but they haven't won a playoff series in forever. I need to see a bit more before I want their assistant GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Paul Hamilton @pham1717 LaFontaine said he has not spoken to Jason Botterill Yet. He said Interviews won't start until monday Patience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Me too. The Leafs are much, much better than they were when Burke took over, but they haven't won a playoff series in forever. I need to see a bit more before I want their assistant GM. exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Paul Hamilton @pham1717 LaFontaine said he has not spoken to Jason Botterill Yet. He said Interviews won't start until monday Patience I don't expect a decision until Monday the 25th at the earliest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 I don't expect a decision until Monday the 25th at the earliest. Announce the New GM on Black Friday. Perfect Timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Announce the New GM on Black Friday. Perfect Timing. Now that would be fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Rhea Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 My vote is for Peca. He has done an amazing job with the Jr Sabres. How about Lindy Ruff back for GM. That would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 My vote is for Peca. He has done an amazing job with the Jr Sabres. How about Lindy Ruff back for GM. That would be interesting. Both no. Peca has done a good job coaching the Junior Sabres as a hockey team. That does not indicate he understands the talent currently in the NHL or has the ability to be a GM since he has 0 experience. It also indicates he does not know about the current state of prospects within the system or the upcoming draft. Both of these are vital to our new GM. We don't have the luxury of letting him learn as he goes. Ruff just left and he is part of the dark past we just emrged from, he has no Gm experience and although he knows much more about the talent in the league than Peca, the fact he was just fired by this team means he isn't even on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 I see it in the article where it says he runs the AHL affiliate, I just can't find it anywhere else. I know he's not the CEO in Wilkes Barre/Scranton. I'm wondering what position he holds or if this is a fact checking error by the author. Can anyone help me out? Found it. The WBS Penguins site is hard to navigate on my phone. He "runs hockey operations" but Shero is still the official GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 My vote is for Peca. He has done an amazing job with the Jr Sabres. How about Lindy Ruff back for GM. That would be interesting. I think Ruff is coaching another team and has no background or experience as a GM. Guessing and hoping you were joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Both no. Peca has done a good job coaching the Junior Sabres as a hockey team. That does not indicate he understands the talent currently in the NHL or has the ability to be a GM since he has 0 experience. It also indicates he does not know about the current state of prospects within the system or the upcoming draft. Both of these are vital to our new GM. We don't have the luxury of letting him learn as he goes. Ruff just left and he is part of the dark past we just emrged from, he has no Gm experience and although he knows much more about the talent in the league than Peca, the fact he was just fired by this team means he isn't even on the list. I could see Peca being offered an assistant GM job but I'm not sure he'd take it. Several teams have multiple Assistant GM's if Devine stays on as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Found it. The WBS Penguins site is hard to navigate on my phone. He "runs hockey operations" but Shero is still the official GM. Hockey Operations - JASON BOTTERILL Assistant General Manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Hockey Operations - JASON BOTTERILL Assistant General Manager Ah ha! Never occurred to me to go on the NHL site. I was on the baby pens site and all I found were some introductory articles. Gracias amigo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Ah ha! Never occurred to me to go on the NHL site. I was on the baby pens site and all I found were some introductory articles. Gracias amigo. No problemo amigo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 15, 2013 Report Share Posted November 15, 2013 Gonna go out on a limb and guess that Rob Ford is not a candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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