Corp000085 Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I am trying to justify in my brain why Dudley is getting mentioned so often as well. Not diminishing the impact or his participation he may have had in the success in Tampa and Chicago. I am not sure that he was the one driving the decision making, however. In my view, if this list is accurate, then here is my prefered rankings: 1.) Botterill, 2.) Benning, 3.) Fenton, 4.) Dudley. We can agree that there are other candidates not on this list. I would say two dark horse candidates would have to be Neil Smith and Brian Burke. I thing it's deception and misinformation. See the bills with the chip kelly smokescreen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Between the bits and pieces Patty has let out, no one fits the bill better than Botterill - up and comer, western NY connection, won a cup, knows the cap, active in the league right now, player evaluation skills. I think the job is his to lose, but if he muffs this interview, Neil Smith might get serious consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Between the bits and pieces Patty has let out, no one fits the bill better than Botterill - up and comer, western NY connection, won a cup, knows the cap, active in the league right now, player evaluation skills. I think the job is his to lose, but if he muffs this interview, Neil Smith might get serious consideration. I don't want Neil Smith anywhere near this job. He hasn't been in a front office since 2006 when he was with the Isles and LaFontaine for FORTY DAYS! Give me Loiselle, Brisebois, Botterill or Fenton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I don't want Neil Smith anywhere near this job. He hasn't been in a front office since 2006 when he was with the Isles and LaFontaine for FORTY DAYS! Give me Loiselle, Brisebois, Botterill or Fenton. I'll take botterill for sure but I still don't get the hard on for loiselle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I'll take botterill for sure but I still don't get the hard on for loiselle. I've broke down why I like Loiselle: he has the same cap experience and expertise as Botterill, and he was part of a rebuild that didn't involve Crosby and Malkin. The Pens won just ONE cup with them, which is an absolute disappointment so far. The Leafs are coming up strongly without anybody even in the same category as those guys. Both guys have worked with aggressive GMs who aren't afraid to make things happen, so they're both positive candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I don't think it ends up being any of the guys we're speculating about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I don't think it ends up being any of the guys we're speculating about. LaFontaine said his list is pretty short. Would be surprised if it's a guy we haven't heard about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 LaFontaine said his list is pretty short. Would be surprised if it's a guy we haven't heard about. Exactly. When you hear a guy say that his list is short and then there are a few names that everybody is talking about then they've likely zeroed in on the list. Part of me has a feeling that it's going to end up being Fenton. If you want a draft guy then it's Fenton. He got Suter, Weber, Klein and Sulzer ALL in the same draft. Got Rinne in round 8 (that doesn't exist anymore). Cody Franson in round 3, Patric Hornqvist in round 7. He managed the draft for them from 03-08 and all of those drafts saw him find impact players. So draft goes to Fenton. Cap guy is Botterill or Loiselle with Botterill being more likely considering he has a cup there and has the Pittsburgh connection to Pegula. Benning is a guy that knows how to make a franchise into a gritty, pesky team that can beat you in any type of game. Dudley is the guy you want if you are really into the Buffalo connection and like goatees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Exactly. When you hear a guy say that his list is short and then there are a few names that everybody is talking about then they've likely zeroed in on the list. Part of me has a feeling that it's going to end up being Fenton. If you want a draft guy then it's Fenton. He got Suter, Weber, Klein and Sulzer ALL in the same draft. Got Rinne in round 8 (that doesn't exist anymore). Cody Franson in round 3, Patric Hornqvist in round 7. He managed the draft for them from 03-08 and all of those drafts saw him find impact players. So draft goes to Fenton. Cap guy is Botterill or Loiselle with Botterill being more likely considering he has a cup there and has the Pittsburgh connection to Pegula. Benning is a guy that knows how to make a franchise into a gritty, pesky team that can beat you in any type of game. Dudley is the guy you want if you are really into the Buffalo connection and like goatees. Fenton is my choice. The cap stuff can get sorted out by committee. If we're building then you want a draft guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Fenton is my choice. The cap stuff can get sorted out by committee. If we're building then you want a draft guy. I don't disagree either. Of the names I've heard as legitimate candidates so far, I'd order them: 1. Loiselle 2. Fenton 3. Botterill 4. Brisebois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Exactly. When you hear a guy say that his list is short and then there are a few names that everybody is talking about then they've likely zeroed in on the list. Part of me has a feeling that it's going to end up being Fenton. If you want a draft guy then it's Fenton. He got Suter, Weber, Klein and Sulzer ALL in the same draft. Got Rinne in round 8 (that doesn't exist anymore). Cody Franson in round 3, Patric Hornqvist in round 7. He managed the draft for them from 03-08 and all of those drafts saw him find impact players. So draft goes to Fenton. Cap guy is Botterill or Loiselle with Botterill being more likely considering he has a cup there and has the Pittsburgh connection to Pegula. Benning is a guy that knows how to make a franchise into a gritty, pesky team that can beat you in any type of game. Dudley is the guy you want if you are really into the Buffalo connection and like goatees. If what you say has some truth to it I'll take Benning. You've described the team I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Patty still hasn't called. I'm getting worried. 867-5309... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I don't like what Benning did as Buffalo's chief scout. I doubt his contribution to the bruin success. So, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Patty still hasn't called. I'm getting worried. 867-5309... You need to set up a fax line and buy a fax machine. I hear they are the wave of the future and are all the rage with the young'uns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Patty still hasn't called. I'm getting worried. 867-5309... Jenny? Is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I know what's gonna happen alright. Wait for it, Patty will just promote Devine from Ass GM to GM ......... :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 If what you say has some truth to it I'll take Benning. You've described the team I want. Well Benning has just been a part of a group that has done it. He hasn't been doing it himself. Guys like Fenton have experience leading a certain aspect of roster building. Fenton was no doubt in control of the draft from 03-08. Botterill and Loiselle have been in control of contract negotiations and cap management. Benning hasn't really been said to have any defined roles other than "assistant." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 I don't like what Benning did as Buffalo's chief scout. I doubt his contribution to the bruin success. So, no. Refresh my memory. When was the Benning era in Buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 Refresh my memory. When was the Benning era in Buffalo? Following his playing career, he served an amateur scout for the Anaheim Ducks (1993–94) and then joined the Buffalo Sabres as a scout (1994–98) and as Director of Amateur Scouting (1998–2004). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Benning If he was our Director of Amateur Scouting the year we took Artem Kruikov over Brooks Orpik (2000), I'm putting a big red flag on him. (Although we did make some really nice post-1st round picks in that era: Miller, Pominville, Roy, Gaustad, Sekera, Wideman, MacArthur.) I think I like Paul Fenton. He's got 16 years of experience with Nashville and I like the idea of someone with no Buffalo connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted November 17, 2013 Report Share Posted November 17, 2013 http://en.wikipedia....iki/Jim_Benning If he was our Director of Amateur Scouting the year we took Artem Kruikov over Brooks Orpik (2000), I'm putting a big red flag on him. (Although we did make some really nice post-1st round picks in that era: Miller, Pominville, Roy, Gaustad, Sekera, Wideman, MacArthur.) I think I like Paul Fenton. He's got 16 years of experience with Nashville and I like the idea of someone with no Buffalo connection. Ouch. And Boston wasn't really built via the draft. That was a team built via trade. I'll pass on Benning too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 David Poille is likely to retired after the 2014-2015 season and if so, Paul Fenton is likely to succeed him. So it isn't clear that he is looking to head elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 David Poille is likely to retired after the 2014-2015 season and if so, Paul Fenton is likely to succeed him. So it isn't clear that he is looking to head elsewhere. That makes sense to me. From the names we've heard, everything continues to point to Botterill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 That makes sense to me. From the names we've heard, everything continues to point to Botterill. Didn't I already say Botterill is the guy? Why are we still talking about this? LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 David Poille is likely to retired after the 2014-2015 season and if so, Paul Fenton is likely to succeed him. So it isn't clear that he is looking to head elsewhere. Maybe. Guys don't like to wait around. Fenton might want to take the first change he gets. He might not want to wait, because that's two years away. Who knows what happens between now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 18, 2013 Report Share Posted November 18, 2013 I know what's gonna happen alright. Wait for it, Patty will just promote Devine from Ass GM to GM ......... :ph34r: For devine's sake I hope so, managing assess must take its toll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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