Eleven Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Well, we know Botterill has permission to speak with the Sabres now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Honestly Botterill is my front runner simply because he is young, smart, and has 5 years as an assistant GM. Seems though some of the other candidates are strong ones as well. I don't want another yes man I will say that but I don't want Milbury 2.0 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Any gm they take, they can consider peca and shanahan as assistant gm. Those two will be interviewing for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Jim Benning (current Bruin assistant GM) is being mentioned as a possible candidate for Sabres GM. I believe he was Director of Amateur Scouting when Stafford was drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Any gm they take, they can consider peca and shanahan as assistant gm. Those two will be interviewing for the job. Shanahan can suspend Sabres from within! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I have no reason to believe that he could do a good job but for some reason, I can't get Messier off the brain. Something about having Messier and LaFontaine steering this ship makes me think there is no way they could fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I have no reason to believe that he could do a good job but for some reason, I can't get Messier off the brain. Something about having Messier and LaFontaine steering this ship makes me think there is no way they could fail. I have a mental picture of them high-fiving at the draft and it's hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Messier is employed by edmonton, so they would have ask to talk to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Messier would be interesting. I think Shanny would get booed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROC Sabres Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Messier would be interesting. I think Shanny would get booed. No more than Darcy has been. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I have no reason to believe that he could do a good job but for some reason, I can't get Messier off the brain. Something about having Messier and LaFontaine steering this ship makes me think there is no way they could fail. I think you need a "leadership/charisma/big picture" guy and a "nuts and bolts/player personnel/trade market/salary cap" guy. Lafontaine and Messier both seem like they fit into the former category, and neither into the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I think you need a "leadership/charisma/big picture" guy and a "nuts and bolts/player personnel/trade market/salary cap" guy. Lafontaine and Messier both seem like they fit into the former category, and neither into the latter. Agreed, you don't need two of them... So what do you think about a Shanny... is he a nuts and bolts guy... I think he is more a compliant guy with whatever they tell him to do... So I don't think he would fit either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I wouldn't have a problem with Botterill as I'm generally in favor of aiming high, even if the floor is low. I do wonder how much he has done with player personnel though, because from what I've read he's the Pens' cap/contract guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Agreed, you don't need two of them... So what do you think about a Shanny... is he a nuts and bolts guy... I think he is more a compliant guy with whatever they tell him to do... So I don't think he would fit either. Shanny doesn't seem like a nuts-and-bolts guy either. I think the right call is a Botteril or Dudley or someone else from outside the Sabres' organization who has been doing GM/Assistant GM work for a number of years. Now, I wouldn't mind having a Shanny or Messier as an assistant GM if that guy would want to learn the ropes on a nuts and bolts (holy mixed metaphor) role. The more greatness in the organization, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester Springs Rich Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Quiet dark horse wild card - Jim Schonfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Quiet dark horse wild card - Jim Schonfield Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I think Messier would be a disaster, but I've got a different perspective than most being on the West Coast and watching the arrogant, divisive, selfish way he conducted himself in Vancouver. Ask yourself, given the man's legendary leadership skills, why hasn't he been offered a job like this already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I think Messier would be a disaster, but I've got a different perspective than most being on the West Coast and watching the arrogant, divisive, selfish way he conducted himself in Vancouver. Ask yourself, given the man's legendary leadership skills, why hasn't he been offered a job like this already? I thought he turned down the Rangers for some position, maybe I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I thought he turned down the Rangers for some position, maybe I'm wrong I thought he left the Rangers because he didn't get the position he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I thought he left the Rangers because he didn't get the position he wanted. I think this is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Pretty sure Messier wanted to replace Torts, and he left the organization shortly after the job was given to Vigneault. He says they were unrelated, but I really don't believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Well, we know Botterill has permission to speak with the Sabres now. he is known as a salary cap expert. exactly the part of the GM job patty is probably uncomfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Here is a write up on Botterill http://www.pensburgh.com/2013/11/13/5100148/buffalo-sabres-gm-search-jason-boterill-pittsburgh-penguins http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/2013/11/get-to-know-jason-botterill.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 I wouldn't have a problem with Botterill as I'm generally in favor of aiming high, even if the floor is low. I do wonder how much he has done with player personnel though, because from what I've read he's the Pens' cap/contract guy. Do you know what that entails? Being the cap/contract guy means that you are required to understand the value of every talent asset in the organization from Junior through the show. Further your job is the know this for every other team in the league as well. Knowing the relative value of your assets and maximizing the production of those assets (picks, players, good contracts) and mitigating the downside of liabilities (bad contracts, no picks) in relation to a minimum and maximum spending ban is the NEW NHL. It is what needs to be Generally Managed, hence the job title. Assembling rosters must be done within this framework. Talent evaluation and development are a part, for sure, but only one aspect. Assemble an adequate top 6, top 3/4 D and goaltender and you are a playoff team. Maximize those in relation the rest of the competition and you are a cup contender. Do it Consistently and you are Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Boston San Jose, or Anaheim. Do it Sporadically and you are Vancouver, Ottawa Philly or the Leafs. There are few hidden gems in the information age and building a flexible human capital management structure is the new reality. I would take, Botterill, Will or Brisebough in a heart beat. Than again I could be mistaken. ...nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted November 14, 2013 Report Share Posted November 14, 2013 Or do they go established (Dudley) and a Ass. GM like Shanahan or Peca? This way you give Patty the option to assume the GM role in a few years or if he is comfortable in his current role you then turn it over to the Ass. GM. Hiring a young guy like Botteril pretty much takes Patty out of any GM role in the future. Unless of course he fails miserably and gets canned. That is the last thing we want to happen. So I guess a lot of this comes down to what Pat sees himself doing in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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