LabattBlue Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) I wonder what other hotels these two(Marriott and Courtyard) when opened will hurt the most... Adam's Mark Hampton on Chippewa Comfort Suites Hyatt Embassy Suites Clearly these two will be the preferred locations for anyone coming into town for an Arena event. I wonder about their occupancy levels though when nothing is going on at FNC? On a related note, wasn't a different chain supposed to be taking over for Adams Mark? Edited July 17, 2013 by LabattBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I wonder what other hotels these two(Marriott and Courtyard) when opened will hurt the most... Adam's Mark Hampton on Chippewa Comfort Suites Hyatt Embassy Suites Clearly these two will be the preferred locations for anyone coming into town for an Arena event. I wonder about their occupancy levels though when nothing is going on at FNC? On a related note, wasn't a different chain supposed to be taking over for Adams Mark? Marriott: Adams Mark will feel the biggest hit by far; it's the most obsolete and the least connected to the city. It is scheduled to have a name change in the near future; I don't believe it will be a chain. Right now, the owner should just cut its modest ($1M) loss and get out of there. Courtyard: Will have no appreciable effect on any of those hotels. Frankly, the Courtyard itself is the one that may not survive. It is outperformed in its market segment by Hampton, which also has better location for that market segment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Marriott: Adams Mark will feel the biggest hit by far; it's the most obsolete and the least connected to the city. It is scheduled to have a name change in the near future; I don't believe it will be a chain. Right now, the owner should just cut its modest ($1M) loss and get out of there. Courtyard: Will have no appreciable effect on any of those hotels. Frankly, the Courtyard itself is the one that may not survive. It is outperformed in its market segment by Hampton, which also has better location for that market segment. Yeah. much easier for out of towners to stumble just one block to the hotel then a full 10. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Yeah. much easier for out of towners to stumble just one block to the hotel then a full 10. haha You're assuming just hockey. I was looking at a broader picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Courtyard: Will have no appreciable effect on any of those hotels. Frankly, the Courtyard itself is the one that may not survive. It is outperformed in its market segment by Hampton, which also has better location for that market segment. Interesting. Clearly the more development around Canalside the better it is for both of these hotels chances of succeeding. Its really unfortunate that with all the positive signs going on down there(that is besides the aud site general contractor being thrown off the job), that the HSBC tower is soon to be empty, and will probably not be easy to fill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 So, I was looking for more renderings, trying to see the solution for attaching the Harbour Centre to the FN Center, when I found this interesting thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1561764 If you're interested on all of the major projects locally, they're pretty much in there, although perhaps a month or two out-dated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I also forgot Paladino has a development "supposedly" going up next to Templeton Landing which also includes a hotel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 So, I was looking for more renderings, trying to see the solution for attaching the Harbour Centre to the FN Center, when I found this interesting thread: http://www.skyscrape...d.php?t=1561764 If you're interested on all of the major projects locally, they're pretty much in there, although perhaps a month or two out-dated. Thanks. HARBORcenter has a tumblr too if anyone's interested. http://harborcenter.tumblr.com/ I also forgot Paladino has a development "supposedly" going up next to Templeton Landing which also includes a hotel. Any update on the possible Hofbrauhaus at Canalside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Interesting. Clearly the more development around Canalside the better it is for both of these hotels chances of succeeding. Its really unfortunate that with all the positive signs going on down there(that is besides the aud site general contractor being thrown off the job), that the HSBC tower is soon to be empty, and will probably not be easy to fill. I think if all goes according to plan, the tower will find a use and a pretty attractive option. First, however, there will definitely be a reshuffling in the office market but I'm optimistic that the city will be better in the end and with little government support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I think if all goes according to plan, the tower will find a use and a pretty attractive option. First, however, there will definitely be a reshuffling in the office market but I'm optimistic that the city will be better in the end and with little government support. Isn't Delaware North looking to move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Isn't Delaware North looking to move? 2 floors down, 32 to go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted July 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Any update on the possible Hofbrauhaus at Canalside? God I hope that happens, Canalside is the perfect location for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 I think if all goes according to plan, the tower will find a use and a pretty attractive option. First, however, there will definitely be a reshuffling in the office market but I'm optimistic that the city will be better in the end and with little government support. Can you provide more detail? I always thought that, at worst, they can turn it into residencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Where was the building that Adelphia had planned years back supposed to go? Was it this same location? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Where was the building that Adelphia had planned years back supposed to go? Was it this same location? Yeah. Webster Block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) So, I was looking for more renderings, trying to see the solution for attaching the Harbour Centre to the FN Center, when I found this interesting thread: http://www.skyscrape...d.php?t=1561764 If you're interested on all of the major projects locally, they're pretty much in there, although perhaps a month or two out-dated. Been mentioned many times before, but no better site for keeping up to date on downtown Buffalo construction(both new and renovation projects)... http://www.buffalorising.com Edited July 17, 2013 by LabattBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Looks like Patty's uncle got frozen out on this deal. Bet he's in touch with Hodgson's dad right now. Won't be long before a couple native-Canadians get a contract of their own. GO SABRES!!! Since you brought it up.....remember how I was an a-hole for stating the whole Kaleta thing didn't make sense? Remember how I wasn't pleased they were raising money in the name of crippled children to build a multi-million hockey rink? Remember how everyone said it was great that they were building it in Podunk southern tier so kids would get ice time? Well....groundbreaking was supposed to be in 2011. It's now mid-2013.....and the Kaletas suddenly shifted their focus to Hamburg of all places, which already has one of the biggest ice rinks for youth hockey in the area. They are now bringing a lawsuit against the town.....I'm sure with their own money of course, not the foundation's. Not a pebble has been turned. Who is managing the money and at what fee? Who are the lawyers? Why does Hamburg need a rink? Why would a "charity" bring a lawsuit? Do the board members of the charity draw a salary as these millions of doallrs have sat idle for 3 years when we were promised a southern tier ice rink in 2011? Questions....questions...questions......at least for those of us who don't have sticky tonsils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Since you brought it up.....remember how I was an a-hole for stating the whole Kaleta thing didn't make sense? Remember how I wasn't pleased they were raising money in the name of crippled children to build a multi-million hockey rink? Remember how everyone said it was great that they were building it in Podunk southern tier so kids would get ice time? Well....groundbreaking was supposed to be in 2011. It's now mid-2013.....and the Kaletas suddenly shifted their focus to Hamburg of all places, which already has one of the biggest ice rinks for youth hockey in the area. They are now bringing a lawsuit against the town.....I'm sure with their own money of course, not the foundation's. Not a pebble has been turned. Who is managing the money and at what fee? Who are the lawyers? Why does Hamburg need a rink? Why would a "charity" bring a lawsuit? Do the board members of the charity draw a salary as these millions of doallrs have sat idle for 3 years when we were promised a southern tier ice rink in 2011? Questions....questions...questions......at least for those of us who don't have sticky tonsils. Congrats, you've thrown enough conspiracy theories up that one has almost kinda not been wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Been mentioned many times before, but no better site for keeping up to date on downtown Buffalo construction(both new and renovation projects)... http://www.buffalorising.com On the other hand, that website is strangely silent about how the 38-story building down the street (HSBC Tower) will be completely vacant next year when the last of its tenants move out. All the cute-looking artist renderings in the world can't cover up the fact that WNY's population is declining and that it's in a terrible state (New York) to do business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Dance Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 On the other hand, that website is strangely silent about how the 38-story building down the street (HSBC Tower) will be completely vacant next year when the last of its tenants move out. All the cute-looking artist renderings in the world can't cover up the fact that WNY's population is declining and that it's in a terrible state (New York) to do business. I would not be at all adverse to just demolishing the darn thing. I always hated the way it straddled Main Street and acted as sort of a barrier between the harbor area and the rest of downtown. Plus, it would open up views of the harbor to buildings up further on Main. Then we just have to do something with the 190.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 I would not be at all adverse to just demolishing the darn thing. I always hated the way it straddled Main Street and acted as sort of a barrier between the harbor area and the rest of downtown. Plus, it would open up views of the harbor to buildings up further on Main. Then we just have to do something with the 190.... It really is a dreadful piece of the skyline. It's so out of character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 So, part of the announcement was that every milestone has been met. Contrast to Millard Fillmore Gates, where the prospective user just pulled out. I'll take Pegula and his businesslike team helping to develop this city all day and every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patty16 Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 So, part of the announcement was that every milestone has been met. Contrast to Millard Fillmore Gates, where the prospective user just pulled out. I'll take Pegula and his businesslike team helping to develop this city all day and every day. He is the one person with the financial power and "street cred" to gently bully his way into making his projects happen. No one wants to be the one to hold him up. Other investors arent willing to take the risk and certainly arent willing to pay the graft needed to grease projects in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted July 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 So, part of the announcement was that every milestone has been met. Contrast to Millard Fillmore Gates, where the prospective user just pulled out. I'll take Pegula and his businesslike team helping to develop this city all day and every day. Yeah, I was sad to hear about the Gates project going down. A vet school/hospital would have been a cool addition, different from all the mixed use stuff everywhere. They're taking new proposals now, I hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Yeah, I was sad to hear about the Gates project going down. A vet school/hospital would have been a cool addition, different from all the mixed use stuff everywhere. They're taking new proposals now, I hear. That is different from the medical corridor that involves UB building a med campus dt correct? Specifically this is what I am talking about... http://www.buffalo.edu/news/releases/2013/04/017.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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