Josh Norris has an Upper Body Injury; Zach Benson is hospitalized

[HILLsabre]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

I think it’s both. We were cursed by the hockey gods the moment Lucic ran Miller and it wasn't immediately addressed on the ice.

And "The Tank" as well. Former GM Darcy Regier warned, and I quote, "There will be pain...." 😩

[In The Buff]

many people here said trading Cozens was addition by subtraction. Well we subtracted a semi-highly touted young prospect & we subtracted $8m from the already lower salary cap our team works with. I've always failed to see where the addition part came from with this trade. Maybe adding more mistakes to the construction of your team isn't such a net positive afterall?

The truth is a team like ours is going to have a real hard time absorbing this. We only have so many assets to work with & we got rid of one for a bag of bricks that costs $8m per. There are no quick fixes & there may not even be one at all. At this point, i think we really need to think hard about trading Tuch, as opposed to extending him long term. And hopefully Norris can come back to play some sheltered minutes that allow us to trade him for something. That trade would be addition by subtraction imho. Because Norris is a dead weight to this team, an $8m per year dead weight. 

KA makes these moves as if he doesnt have a care in the world. Any GM fearful about his job, wouldn't have made this trade in the 1st place.

I at least am curious to see how the team responds in Boston. They could either bounce back & play a better game, or they could get beat down & bounced in embarrassing fashion. We'll have a better idea of the makeup of this team when its done i imagine. 

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4 hours ago, Brawndo said:

There is some speculation that he might be done for the year, which I hope is incorrect 

By whom? Based on what information?

[Rasmus_]

I feel bad for Norris, but the fumbling of this roster construction is again at the feet of the front office led by that goof Adams.  I'd rather see Östlund all year for the remainder.  

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, HILLsabre said:

And "The Tank" as well. Former GM Darcy Regier warned, and I quote, "There will be pain...." 😩

Not pain.  Suffering.

[bunomatic]

Adams is a moron. Sorry not sorry.

[Wyldnwoody44]

Adams won a Stanley cup, he saw what it takes... That makes it even more mind boggling that he can't seem to get it....like at all. 

[SABRES 0311]

To justify my hypothetical that won’t happen. I think a lot of success this season hinged on Norris working out. Since he is broke for a significant amount of time, shouldn’t the team be looking to acquire a player?

If we go a long time without a big piece to the offense we risk falling way behind in the standings. So why do that?

[HILLsabre]

1 hour ago, Taro T said:

Not pain.  Suffering.

I stand corrected! Thanks! I think I got the emoji right though!😉

[KC Scouts]

Lyon has passed the tryout test for me.....If UPL was ready to play tomorrow - UPL would be sitting at the end of the bench watching Lyon play 

[JP51]

3 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said:

To justify my hypothetical that won’t happen. I think a lot of success this season hinged on Norris working out. Since he is broke for a significant amount of time, shouldn’t the team be looking to acquire a player?

If we go a long time without a big piece to the offense we risk falling way behind in the standings. So why do that?

No please... do not let Adams make any more trades for the love of God 

[pastajoe]

3 hours ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

Adams won a Stanley cup, he saw what it takes... That makes it even more mind boggling that he can't seem to get it....like at all. 

It doesn’t always translate. Gretzky was a bad coach in Arizona.

[mjd1001]

6 hours ago, In The Buff said:

many people here said trading Cozens was addition by subtraction. Well we subtracted a semi-highly touted young prospect & we subtracted $8m from the already lower salary cap our team works with. I've always failed to see where the addition part came from with this trade. Maybe adding more mistakes to the construction of your team isn't such a net positive afterall?

The truth is a team like ours is going to have a real hard time absorbing this. We only have so many assets to work with & we got rid of one for a bag of bricks that costs $8m per. There are no quick fixes & there may not even be one at all. At this point, i think we really need to think hard about trading Tuch, as opposed to extending him long term. And hopefully Norris can come back to play some sheltered minutes that allow us to trade him for something. That trade would be addition by subtraction imho. Because Norris is a dead weight to this team, an $8m per year dead weight. 

KA makes these moves as if he doesnt have a care in the world. Any GM fearful about his job, wouldn't have made this trade in the 1st place.

I at least am curious to see how the team responds in Boston. They could either bounce back & play a better game, or they could get beat down & bounced in embarrassing fashion. We'll have a better idea of the makeup of this team when its done i imagine. 

I've always argued Cozens was so bad at times, he hurt the team out there with turnovers, being out of position, taking dumb shots because he 'didn't see' the better pass to make with the puck..etc.  He was a 'net negative' to the team when he was on the ice, making more negative plays than positive plays. My thought is, a 'replacment level player' (maybe a better choice of words would be an 'average' player who makes an equal number of positive plays as negative plays, even if there aren't many of each) is better than a player who is a net negative, which Cozens is/was.

Now, that is the subtraction part. Of course the key is they NEED to replace those minutes with MINIMUM that 'average' player....who may not be as talented as Cozens but doen't make many mistakes.  Right now, it doesn't appear they have done that yet.

Norris replacing Cozens would be a very good upgrade.  But if Norris isn't around, you need a backup plan.  An "decent" or "slightly above average veteran journeyman" in my opinion would be better than Cozens. Right now with Norris out, they don't even have that.

[Taro T]

48 minutes ago, pastajoe said:

It doesn’t always translate. Gretzky was a bad coach in Arizona.

It's rare for the top players to be good coaches.  Toe Blakes are pretty much unicorns.  Even Brind'Amours are fairly rare.  How does Gretzky go about explaining to his team how to understand where the puck is going to be in 4 seconds and where all other 11 guys are now and where they'll be in a few seconds?  Answer: he doesn't.  You pretty much can't teach that.

But the guys that have to bust their arses to get to and stay in the league are, along with former goalies, the guys that tend to be the best coaches and can fairly often translate to management as well.  (Though studs seem to have better track records on the management side than the coaching side.  There are more of them that make good than there are that make good coaches.  Probably because a lot of management is schmoozing with their compatriots and they're the ones that as players were always getting the interview requests and attention so they're good at that part of the job.) 

Adams fits firmly in that guys who had to bust their arse to get and stay there.  Probably should've moved back to the development side of things after running a rink rather than running a team.

[HumanSlinky39]

5 hours ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

Adams won a Stanley cup, he saw what it takes... That makes it even more mind boggling that he can't seem to get it....like at all. 

Kevyn thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, that's the problem. He was convinced (and apparently still is) that he could build a championship roster by stockpiling prospects and waiting for them to develop. Problem with that is it takes years and inherently a large sum of those prospects won't "hit." He's still married to the notion that "his guys" should be enough, we just need patience. There's also the fact that he seems to have accepted that Buffalo is not an attractive destination for FAs, so why even try? I won't argue that the first part isn't right, but I do not want the GM accepting that. Get a guy in here that is a good enough salesman and has enough balls, that he can sell FAs on a plan and maybe snag a couple of them. And I'm not talking about Zuckers, who while a nice player and a good guy to have around, is not transformative to a roster that needs transformative guys.

Adams is an abjectively failed GM and any serious hockey organization would have already moved on.

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9 hours ago, In The Buff said:

many people here said trading Cozens was addition by subtraction. Well we subtracted a semi-highly touted young prospect & we subtracted $8m from the already lower salary cap our team works with. I've always failed to see where the addition part came from with this trade. Maybe adding more mistakes to the construction of your team isn't such a net positive afterall?

The truth is a team like ours is going to have a real hard time absorbing this. We only have so many assets to work with & we got rid of one for a bag of bricks that costs $8m per. There are no quick fixes & there may not even be one at all. At this point, i think we really need to think hard about trading Tuch, as opposed to extending him long term. And hopefully Norris can come back to play some sheltered minutes that allow us to trade him for something. That trade would be addition by subtraction imho. Because Norris is a dead weight to this team, an $8m per year dead weight. 

KA makes these moves as if he doesnt have a care in the world. Any GM fearful about his job, wouldn't have made this trade in the 1st place.

I at least am curious to see how the team responds in Boston. They could either bounce back & play a better game, or they could get beat down & bounced in embarrassing fashion. We'll have a better idea of the makeup of this team when its done i imagine. 

Haha, now Cozens is loved and should still be here?  

[Thorny]

3 hours ago, HumanSlinky39 said:

Kevyn thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, that's the problem. He was convinced (and apparently still is) that he could build a championship roster by stockpiling prospects and waiting for them to develop. Problem with that is it takes years and inherently a large sum of those prospects won't "hit." He's still married to the notion that "his guys" should be enough, we just need patience. There's also the fact that he seems to have accepted that Buffalo is not an attractive destination for FAs, so why even try? I won't argue that the first part isn't right, but I do not want the GM accepting that. Get a guy in here that is a good enough salesman and has enough balls, that he can sell FAs on a plan and maybe snag a couple of them. And I'm not talking about Zuckers, who while a nice player and a good guy to have around, is not transformative to a roster that needs transformative guys.

Adams is an abjectively failed GM and any serious hockey organization would have already moved on.

Well said