Would Anyone Care If Any Current Player Was Traded?

[thewookie1]

1 hour ago, RochesterExpat said:

Yeah it’s just why I hate these questions. It’s hard to know what’s realistic for some players.

I guess I’d look at he roster like this:

Players I would keep because I don’t think the value is there due to the players being undervalued by the league and the return wouldn’t offset the loss:

- JJP

- Mitts

- Quinn

- R Johnson

- Benson

Players I would keep because I don’t think the value is there due to star player status making deals nigh impossible to predict or balance and would rather keep than risk:

- Thompson

- Dahlin

Players I would keep because I admit I probably overvalue:

- Levi

- Cozens

Players I would be willing to trade and who expect would be valued appropriately:

- Tuch

- Joki

Players I suspect the league overvalues:

- Power (former 1OA)

- E Johnson (“veteran” presence)

- Clifton (it worked for Risto!)

Players never going anywhere for anything inbound so take a bag of pucks if you can:

- VO

- Jost

- Krebs

- Comrie

- UPL

No idea how the league values them:

- Skinner

- Greenway

 

 

 

 

 

No, no no they shouldn't be available for a myriad of reasons

[PerreaultForever]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

There's a bunch of guys that it would be sad to see go.  But if the team improves, will get over it.

But like @pi2000 says, the move to make 1st comes from the coaching ranks.

The coaching move needs to be made, but they also can't go with another guy with no or limited NHL experience. It has to be a proven NHL coach. One that has had teams playing defense before. Gallant would be my first choice at the moment from among the unemployed. 

I'd certainly be up for Brindamour  next year if that's even a real consideration which I doubt. 

[Taro T]

Just now, PerreaultForever said:

The coaching move needs to be made, but they also can't go with another guy with no or limited NHL experience. It has to be a proven NHL coach. One that has had teams playing defense before. Gallant would be my first choice at the moment from among the unemployed. 

I'd certainly be up for Brindamour  next year if that's even a real consideration which I doubt. 

IF Brind'Amour would come to Buffalo, they need to keep Granato for however long it takes for Camelface to feel he's not hosing a fellow brother.
 

Gallant has been high on the list for years.  Can't see him ever getting brought in, but he'd be great to get them back fully into relevance.

 

But, at this point, would be pleased with just punting Ellis off the bench and bringing in Woods.  Would like more than that to happen, but at least that's a start in the right direction.

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, Taro T said:

But, at this point, would be pleased with just punting Ellis off the bench and bringing in Woods.  Would like more than that to happen, but at least that's a start in the right direction.

I don't think that sort of minor change would be enough. Let the new head coach decide what he wants when it comes to assistants. 

[Huckleberry]

Power - Dahlin - Levi - Mittelstadt - Cozens - Quinn - JJP - Benson - Tuch - Thompson (maybe) - Skinner (maybe).

The rest I won't mind as much 😛

[OverPowerYou]

The untouchables - Dahlin, Tuch, Power, Thompson, Cozens, Quinn, Paterka..maybe Levi. everyone else is on thin ice. No pun intended 

Edited December 21, 2023 by OverPowerYou

[RochesterExpat]

2 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

No, no no they shouldn't be available for a myriad of reasons

I’m not suggesting they are in any way available or should be made available. But as far as “caring” if the player is traded, the above list is pretty much how I feel.

it’s also possible I’m overvaluing Tuch’s trade value because the above is predicated on it being a proper haul. If it’s not, he moves to the first group bordering on second, and I would very much care if he were traded.

As for Power, I don’t like him. I didn’t when they drafted him (I wanted to trade the pick). I hope I’m wrong about him but I just don’t see him being a value 1OA. I don’t even really know why I don’t like him. That’s the worst part. But given his draft pedigree, I think the rest of the league values him higher than I do. Hence his placement.

[Billznut]

All I know is, IF Kevyn Adams could ever be shown the door, and the Sabres brought in a real, experienced NHL GM, I’m betting one of the very first things he would do is find an actual good veteran competent goaltender. And if he had to part with some prospects or a roster player or two to accomplish this, it would be done immediately. 

[sabrefanday1]

At this point we are clearly in some cases under-evaluating some players...Power  (and a host of other players) would be amazing on another team trust me. Boston would take a pile of our players right away and they'd be excellent all of a sudden. I so think we should explore trades for tougness (which should not cost any of our "core" guys) 

[Taro T]

9 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I don't think that sort of minor change would be enough. Let the new head coach decide what he wants when it comes to assistants. 

It probably isn't.  And it stinks because had Adams and Granato been willing to make those kind of changes this off-season when they should've been made, we very likely wouldn't be here watching them get to a point where the much more significant change needs to happen.

[#freejame]

Everyone’s favorite Sabre from some point or another has left the organization without a Stanley Cup. The names on the back don’t matter. 

[Mango]

12 hours ago, Taro T said:

There's a bunch of guys that it would be sad to see go.  But if the team improves, will get over it.

But like @pi2000 says, the move to make 1st comes from the coaching ranks.

In no particular order: 

Dahlin
Levi
Thompson 
Mitts
JJP
Benson
Ryan Johnson

There are a couple of tweeners in there that I would listen to offers for, but be hesitant. But these are my absolute "no's". 

When it comes to coaching or trades, I think the Sabres need to stand pat for the season. I had expectations of this being a 100 point team this year. I was only asking for about 5 more wins this year compared to last. Now we are seeing it isn't close.

I have said the last few months that the first thing this org needs to do before moving any piece is ask the GM "what do we need to be successful" and if his shoot from the hip answer is anything similar to "time to develop" or "stay the course" then you pull the rip cord immediately and escort the guy out of the building right then and there. Conversation over. No convincing. No "Do this or else". That is somebody who has no idea what they are seeing on the ice, which means they have no accurate solution. Any move by somebody who says that about this roster is only making performative moves to keep their job, not somebody who is making moves with a plan. 

I have a hard time hearing Adam's "this is an execution problem" as anything other than "stay the course". Any major move anywhere in the org needs to be executed by a new GM. 
 

[LTS]

1 hour ago, #freejame said:

Everyone’s favorite Sabre from some point or another has left the organization without a Stanley Cup. The names on the back don’t matter. 

I own 6 different Sabres jerseys... none have names for the reason above.

I've loved lots of players on this team over the years, none has won the Stanley Cup.

[PASabreFan]

I think some (most?) are missing the subtlety of the question.

Didn't you ever ponder whether you'd be upset if you never saw a specific friend or family member again? There are family members I would not be upset to never see again.

What Sabres do you love?

I would stop short of love but I admire Gus a lot and would care if he were traded without ever seeing success here. Kyle is close to that but hasn't been here long enough.

Edited December 21, 2023 by PASabreFan

[Marvin]

1 hour ago, PASabreFan said:

I think some (most?) are missing the subtlety of the question.

Didn't you ever ponder whether you'd be upset if you never saw a specific friend or family member again? There are family members I would not be upset to never see again.

What Sabres do you love?

I would stop short of love but I admire Gus a lot and would care if he were traded without ever seeing success here. Kyle is close to that but hasn't been here long enough.

I am with you.  I am attached to Girgensons.  I also think that he is one they could reasonably move in a shake-up deal.

[Weave]

1 hour ago, PASabreFan said:

I think some (most?) are missing the subtlety of the question.

Didn't you ever ponder whether you'd be upset if you never saw a specific friend or family member again? There are family members I would not be upset to never see again.

What Sabres do you love?

I would stop short of love but I admire Gus a lot and would care if he were traded without ever seeing success here. Kyle is close to that but hasn't been here long enough.

I want only good things for Gus and KO, and that includes them having a shot at the playoffs.  Mike Ramsey was my all time favorite Sabre.  I was very happy to see him get a chance at a Cup with Pitt, and then Detroit before he retired.  He earned it.  I feel exactly the same with regards to Gus and KO, so I guess in that regard I would care.

Otherwise, whatever…….

[PerreaultForever]

1 hour ago, Marvin said:

I am with you.  I am attached to Girgensons.  I also think that he is one they could reasonably move in a shake-up deal.

Say what? Are you a Latvian or something? I don't hate the guy or anything but I cannot fathom this. (Unless it was a joke)

I have to think hard about the last time I was truly upset about a Sabre being traded away. I think it was Marcus Foligno. Before that the Peca situation/trade was devastating. Way way back Danny Gare. There aren't actually that many times and certainly not many in the recent era where players have disappointed more than become loved. 

[Marvin]

55 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Say what? Are you a Latvian or something? I don't hate the guy or anything but I cannot fathom this. (Unless it was a joke)

I have to think hard about the last time I was truly upset about a Sabre being traded away. I think it was Marcus Foligno. Before that the Peca situation/trade was devastating. Way way back Danny Gare. There aren't actually that many times and certainly not many in the recent era where players have disappointed more than become loved. 

No.  I like the way he plays hockey.  He is a solid 4th liner in this league.

On a more personal note...

He came out of the USHL as a scorer and was the top Centre on a horrible tank team.  After he and Larsson got waylaid by Bylsma for trying to lead in training camp instead of one of the big names and getting unceremoniously shunted aside by the coach, they both reinvented themselves as grinders.  Under Housley, they with Okposo became a very good 4th line and regularly tilted the ice in the Sabres favour in spite of historically difficult usage.  Instead of quitting the league, he took pride in doing something else to help the team.  He plays the game with the attitude that you want a player to have.

I myself was an intellectual ultra-talent who turned down the Ivy League for Case Western Reserve (better monetary deal).  The guys that invented chaos theory, a former head of the EU's version of the CDC in Strasbourg, the top mathematical theorists in neural networks, and 5 Nobel Prize winners considered me to be an intellectual equal.  But I take an anti-depressant, among other things, to stop me from crashing and burning by checking my mental illnesses -- most of which made me that smart.  So I have had to reinvent myself as a grinder and have been grinding for over 30 years after starting 25 years largely getting by on raw talent and only needing grit on occasion.  That is very humbling to do when you are used to being the cream that always rises to the top and then accepting that as your fate.

Hence, even though I am advocating moving him for the good of the team, I will still root for him.  Same with Okposo.

[Contempt]

On 12/20/2023 at 3:02 PM, PerreaultForever said:

I don't think anybody "wants" to move him but the topic was would you care if they were moved. Big difference. I personally find it hard to be emotionally attached to anybody on this team any more. Why would you be?

Exactly. They can trade any or all of them and I don't think I'd bat an eyelash.

[North Buffalo]

Start with Ollie and Id jump for joy... now that Quinn is back...

[FrenchConnection44]

I would care if we lost in the trade. I don’t want to trade anyone if they are better elsewhere and we are worse or the player we get back is worse.

If we won the trade and the player(s) we received are more productive and we win, then I don’t care. 

[Earl]

Keep Dahlin and Benson

I want to keep Cozens - possibly because I don't know enough about hockey

[Night Train]

2 hours ago, Earl said:

Keep Dahlin and Benson

I want to keep Cozens - possibly because I don't know enough about hockey

Welcome

[Marvin]

4 hours ago, Earl said:

Keep Dahlin and Benson

I want to keep Cozens - possibly because I don't know enough about hockey

Welcome to the board!  No song from The Chicks for you, though.

[Sabres Fan in NS]

4 hours ago, Earl said:

Keep Dahlin and Benson

I want to keep Cozens - possibly because I don't know enough about hockey

Welcome !!

Nice first post.  I think that you know more about hockey than you think.