Around the NHL 2023 Summer Edition

[Taro T]

2 hours ago, Eleven said:

 

That stuff was always a virtue-signaling gimmick anyway.  I don't think the NHL's contributions to cancer research, or veterans' orgs, or to pride groups, or whatever really moved the needle.

Pretty much.  But now very pleased with having bought a HFC sweater for wifey last year.  Looks pretty sharp and won't see as many around the rink this year.

[DHawerchuk10]

34 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Pretty much.  But now very pleased with having bought a HFC sweater for wifey last year.  Looks pretty sharp and won't see as many around the rink this year.

They are still selling all that stuff, and promoting special causes, just not wearing jerseys during warm-up.

[French Collection]

Erik Haula has re-signed with the Devils.

 

 

 

 

[pastajoe]

2 hours ago, DHawerchuk10 said:

They are still selling all that stuff, and promoting special causes, just not wearing jerseys during warm-up.

Part of the attraction for paying so much for the jerseys is knowing it was worn on ice by the players, not to mention the positive exposure it gives to the causes.

[Eleven]

5 hours ago, Eleven said:

 

That stuff was always a virtue-signaling gimmick anyway.  I don't think the NHL's contributions to cancer research, or veterans' orgs, or to pride groups, or whatever really moved the needle.

Well, @pastajoe and @Flashsabre it's a simple thing to give me a red X, but why?  What's the disagreement?  

[pastajoe]

3 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Well, @pastajoe and @Flashsabre it's a simple thing to give me a red X, but why?  What's the disagreement?  

“Virtue-signaling” is a derogatory term that implies a lack of sincerity in promoting or supporting a cause.

[Thorny]

5 hours ago, Marvin said:

I think it is neither.  As currently made up, the team has no young guys coming in who excite the current players while the existing team, like Winnipeg, could be stuck in mediocrity without a rebuild.  If you are on the older side with only 1 or 2 years left, wouldn't you prefer to get moved to greener pastures.

Question: I have read that the Western Canadian teams have directives from on high not to ever do a true rebuild.  Given the loyalty and passion of the fanbases, that seems very short-sighted   is this true?

Thats a good question. Definitely does seem like my local Jets are opposed to ever doing a full tear down. The fans here are passionate as hell, maybe it’s a quantity thing, though? Winnipeg the city is as populated as Buffalo I think but the greater surrounding area... well, Winnipeg doesn’t have one. Small arena. Maybe regardless of passion, if even a sizeable chunk tunes out, our quantities are an issue?

I do know the season ticket list here, once miles long, has evaporated. It’s gone. As I said years ago, the honeymoon period is over. Would a full rebuild further dent that? Plenty of the more passionate fans have been clamouring for a rebuild but maybe it’s just not in the cards

[Flashsabre]

50 minutes ago, Eleven said:

Well, @pastajoe and @Flashsabre it's a simple thing to give me a red X, but why?  What's the disagreement?  

Anything to help fight cancer is worthy. Blowing it off as nothing is a bad take. 

Too many people on social media seem fine with blowing off the cancer support because they don’t want players wearing pride jerseys in warmups before games. 

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, pastajoe said:

Part of the attraction for paying so much for the jerseys is knowing it was worn on ice by the players, not to mention the positive exposure it gives to the causes.

You do realize that the Sabres DON'T sell the player worn HFC sweaters, right?

Those are GIVEN to the person who's name was on the back of the sweater when the player was warming up.  (Same for the military appreciation night sweaters.)

[Scottysabres]

I just don't see what the big deal is here. Players that wish to support should be able to, players that don't, shouldn't have to. Free will is an amazing concept, but o see no reason to cancel an event that's been accepted and happening for some time now. But....meh, what do I know really, I just go to or watch the games on TV for the hockey anyways.

[Randall Flagg]

2 hours ago, pastajoe said:

“Virtue-signaling” is a derogatory term that implies a lack of sincerity in promoting or supporting a cause.

I've seen that view a lot, including here - "psh, these greedy corporations are just doing this for the money, they don't care about LGBT/whatever cause"

It's not really true though, the people and organizations in charge of setting up pride night are emphatic believers in the cause, this holds all the way up the chain

Ten years ago I remember the boomers in my life laughing off the college-aged "advocate" - wait until they hit the real world, they said. They'll grow up, mellow out, stop fiercly believing in [whatever]. The same boomers now are cynical that "corporations" and "the rich" are into "pride night" for anything other than cash or avoiding attaq. Newsflash, pal! Those "advocates " DID graduate and assume their roles in society, sometimes important ones, including running big corporations 

What was the view of only the 'enlightened' in society 15 years ago has trickled to the rest of it now, it is the default 

People want to grumble about corporations and watch Jon Stewart pick on W, but the world is different now, attempting to project mental models built in that era to explain things that happen today doesn't work, which is why everyone that talks about the issues is such a midwit

Edited June 23, 2023 by Randall Flagg

[thewookie1]

34 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

I've seen that view a lot, including here - "psh, these greedy corporations are just doing this for the money, they don't care about LGBT/whatever cause"

It's not really true though, the people and organizations in charge of setting up pride night are emphatic believers in the cause, this holds all the way up the chain

Ten years ago I remember the boomers in my life laughing off the college-aged "advocate" - wait until they hit the real world, they said. They'll grow up, mellow out, stop fiercly believing in [whatever]. The same boomers now are cynical that "corporations" and "the rich" are into "pride night" for anything other than cash or avoiding attaq. Newsflash, pal! Those "advocates " DID graduate and assume their roles in society, sometimes important ones, including running big corporations 

What was the view of only the 'enlightened' in society 15 years ago has trickled to the rest of it now, it is the default 

People want to grumble about corporations and watch Jon Stewart pick on W, but the world is different now, attempting to project mental models built in that era to explain things that happen today doesn't work, which is why everyone that talks about the issues is such a midwit

Most of those advocates are destroying the world so for every minor gain they seem hellbent on destroying society as a whole.

[Randall Flagg]

4 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

Most of those advocates are destroying the world so for every minor gain they seem hellbent on destroying society as a whole.

I will refrain from condoning or condemning the phenomenon 

[thewookie1]

2 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

I will refrain from condoning or condemning the phenomenon 

Well it’s just very disconcerting how overtly polarized everything has become and how everything must be everyone’s business at all times.

[Weave]

15 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

Well it’s just very disconcerting how overtly polarized everything has become and how everything must be everyone’s business at all times.

You don’t think that this type of reasoning isn’t contributing?

25 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

Most of those advocates are destroying the world so for every minor gain they seem hellbent on destroying society as a whole.

16 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

[Eleven]

2 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

Anything to help fight cancer is worthy. Blowing it off as nothing is a bad take. 

Too many people on social media seem fine with blowing off the cancer support because they don’t want players wearing pride jerseys in warmups before games. 

I don't think it really generates any serious funds for fighting cancer.  It might generate "awareness," but I'm pretty sure we're all aware of cancers and the need for cures. 

Edited June 23, 2023 by Eleven

[pastajoe]

30 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

Well it’s just very disconcerting how overtly polarized everything has become and how everything must be everyone’s business at all times.

There wouldn’t be a need for a Pride night if people minded their own business and stopped treating them differently or accusing them of grooming kids.

[Scottysabres]

4 minutes ago, pastajoe said:

There wouldn’t be a need for a Pride night if people minded their own business and stopped treating them differently or accusing them of grooming kids.

Fair statement. Of course, there's more than an abundance of video and audio evidence in the public forum to state as fact that some are in point of fact, grooming kids in this particular subject. So, my body, my choice, I agree with that, also, my children, my choice, I agree with that to.

[Eleven]

2 hours ago, pastajoe said:

There wouldn’t be a need for a Pride night if people minded their own business and stopped treating them differently or accusing them of grooming kids.

Again, I agree; I just don't think the NHL having a pride night does anything for the cause.  Same with cancer, same with vets.

Edited June 24, 2023 by Eleven

[MattPie]

6 hours ago, Thorny said:

Thats a good question. Definitely does seem like my local Jets are opposed to ever doing a full tear down. The fans here are passionate as hell, maybe it’s a quantity thing, though? Winnipeg the city is as populated as Buffalo I think but the greater surrounding area... well, Winnipeg doesn’t have one. Small arena. Maybe regardless of passion, if even a sizeable chunk tunes out, our quantities are an issue?

I do know the season ticket list here, once miles long, has evaporated. It’s gone. As I said years ago, the honeymoon period is over. Would a full rebuild further dent that? Plenty of the more passionate fans have been clamouring for a rebuild but maybe it’s just not in the cards

I took a look and it's not really close. Winnipeg is 730k, where Buffalo is 1,135k, but as you mention, Rochester is another 1,054k. You could dig up close to another 1M if you start talking about Syracuse, Ithaca, Elmira, maybe Erie PA (but they might be Pens fans over there).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_Northern_America

[Thorny]

5 minutes ago, MattPie said:

I took a look and it's not really close. Winnipeg is 730k, where Buffalo is 1,135k, but as you mention, Rochester is another 1,054k. You could dig up close to another 1M if you start talking about Syracuse, Ithaca, Elmira, maybe Erie PA (but they might be Pens fans over there).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_Northern_America

Even Toronto 

Edit that Buffalo number must be the buffalo - Niagara area? 

[pastajoe]

5 hours ago, Scottysabres said:

Fair statement. Of course, there's more than an abundance of video and audio evidence in the public forum to state as fact that some are in point of fact, grooming kids in this particular subject. So, my body, my choice, I agree with that, also, my children, my choice, I agree with that to.

Nobody is grooming kids to be gay, especially at a hockey game. 🙄  They’re either gay or they’re not. The issue is do we support them to feel safe and accepted.

[PerreaultForever]

11 hours ago, French Collection said:

Erik Haula has re-signed with the Devils.

 

 

 

 

Does this make Miles Wood potentially more likely to be available? 

[PerreaultForever]

6 hours ago, Scottysabres said:

Fair statement. Of course, there's more than an abundance of video and audio evidence in the public forum to state as fact that some are in point of fact, grooming kids in this particular subject. So, my body, my choice, I agree with that, also, my children, my choice, I agree with that to.

This is idiotic. 

[sweetlou]

12 hours ago, pastajoe said:

There wouldn’t be a need for a Pride night if people minded their own business and stopped treating them differently or accusing them of grooming kids.

 

7 hours ago, pastajoe said:

Nobody is grooming kids to be gay, especially at a hockey game. 🙄  They’re either gay or they’re not. The issue is do we support them to feel safe and accepted.

These two statements are so far from the truth.  Twenty and thirty years ago there were gay people and as long as they understood they were the ones that were different, people accepted them even if they didn't agree, and left them alone.  It's within the last ten years where everyone is trying to be politically correct and inclusive of everyone that it has gotten out of hand.  Don't try and force things that are morally wrong on me or my kids.  What if the mindset was we are to accept alcoholics for who they are and just let them do what they want, let them teach our kids in school that it is ok to drink and beat up people, drive and kill others, would your perspective be different?

Society understood alcoholism is mental disorder and alcoholics needed help. There are also laws to protect others from those people. 

People who believe that they are to be something different than what God created them have mental issues.  So I will always stand firm, there are two genders, male and female!!

 

So, on to a less confrontational topic?  Who is the big acquisition the Sabres make this off-season?