inkman Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 16 hours ago, Thorny said: Is that because we had more capable vet talent to ship off? Actually asking. We don't have many capable veteran players right now Right. The vets they do have… Miller Eakin Okposo Girgensons? …are somewhere between below average and I can’t believe someone is paying this guy to play hockey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Youth Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, inkman said: Right. The vets they do have… Miller Eakin Okposo Girgensons? …are somewhere between below average and I can’t believe someone is paying this guy to play hockey …Skinner? <ducks> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Curt said: I find this post to be rather disingenuous. Surely you realize that Hall, Staal, Montour were UFAs who would not be returning for next season either way. Yet you listed them as part of a tanking strategy. Surely you'd think if we were doing well all but Stall would be probably coming back. Team was lost, trades were made with futures in mind. If it looks like a tank and smells like a tank It's a tank Edited July 25, 2021 by jsb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 I'm ready for the tank I don't think people realize how good this draft is. The top 3 picks would be first overall pucks in their own draft . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: I'm ready for the tank I don't think people realize how good this draft is. The top 3 picks would be first overall pucks in their own draft . This post makes me want to jab an ice pick up my nose. ***** any and all tanks. ***** this team. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, jsb said: Surely you'd think if we were doing well all but Stall would be probably coming back. Team was lost, trades were made with futures in mind. If it looks like a tank and smells like a tank It's a tank But we weren’t doing well.....so it doesn’t really matter if they would come back if we were doing well. We weren’t, and they wouldn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, SwampD said: This post makes me want to jab an ice pick up my nose. ***** any and all tanks. ***** this team. Does this mean you're leaving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, SwampD said: This post makes me want to jab an ice pick up my nose. ***** any and all tanks. ***** this team. If you had a choice between Crosby, mcdavid, macKinnon Would you say screw the tank ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 Low expectations are not a bad thing for the fan base. But I don’t think things are so bad. We scored goals without Jack in line up last year. The kids stepped up and scored. The ATM line is nice. Getting Okposo back with Girgs will be another good line, put Borque with them? Then there’s still Skinner, R2 Ollie Cozens and spare parts, but not bad really. Lack of defensive depth could be a real killer but that can hopefully be addressed in Jack trade or free agency. And the goaltending...the biggest question mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: If you had a choice between Crosby, mcdavid, macKinnon Would you say screw the tank ? You left Eichel and Reinhart off that list. 7 minutes ago, Radar said: Does this mean you're leaving? I am now. The Sabres already ruin my winters. I’m not going to let them ruin my summers, as well, by having to listen to plans of an upcoming tank after sucking for ten years and fans actually giddy about it. JFC! See you at training camp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 minute ago, SwampD said: You left Eichel and Reinhart off that list. I am now. The Sabres already ruin my winters. I’m not going to let them ruin my summers, as well, by having to listen to plans of an upcoming tank after sucking for ten years and fans actually giddy about it. JFC! See you at training camp. What do you mean ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, SwampD said: You left Eichel and Reinhart off that list. I am now. The Sabres already ruin my winters. I’m not going to let them ruin my summers, as well, by having to listen to plans of an upcoming tank after sucking for ten years and fans actually giddy about it. JFC! See you at training camp. Yeah, I think we all need a bit of a break. I'm 78 and over the past several years my emotional investment or passion for sports has decreased. I enjoy it and even talking about it but I take it more day to day or game to game now. See you at training camp my friend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektorado Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 I don't believe they will want to purposely tank. They will be in the lottery so there will be a chance. Building a proper culture is job one and showing the youngsters a tanking team is not the proper course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 Ofcourse it is but you have to frame it as "developing the young core". This team finished last OA with Eichel, Hall, Reinhart, Risto, Staal all playing some games this year. How do you think it will go with them playing no games next year. You are not going to ice the team they are next season and pretend to be contenders. Their incompetence has led to this. Does it need to happen, yes, they need to reset and start again. Does it suck, Yes, but it is what it is. I think they will be competitive in games this season but they won't be good. But if they young guys come along developmentally then it is not a straight "Tank" season, some positives will come from it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: Ofcourse it is but you have to frame it as "developing the young core". This team finished last OA with Eichel, Hall, Reinhart, Risto, Staal all playing some games this year. How do you think it will go with them playing no games next year. You are not going to ice the team they are next season and pretend to be contenders. Their incompetence has led to this. Does it need to happen, yes, they need to reset and start again. Does it suck, Yes, but it is what it is. I think they will be competitive in games this season but they won't be good. But if they young guys come along developmentally then it is not a straight "Tank" season, some positives will come from it. If those players came to the rink with crappy attitudes and didn't really care then it might surprisingly be better. Let's stop acting like we have a bunch of guys with no talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: Ofcourse it is but you have to frame it as "developing the young core". This team finished last OA with Eichel, Hall, Reinhart, Risto, Staal all playing some games this year. How do you think it will go with them playing no games next year. You are not going to ice the team they are next season and pretend to be contenders. Their incompetence has led to this. Does it need to happen, yes, they need to reset and start again. Does it suck, Yes, but it is what it is. I think they will be competitive in games this season but they won't be good. But if they young guys come along developmentally then it is not a straight "Tank" season, some positives will come from it. This is probably the only thing I disagree with, It didn't have to happen. Risto, Sam and Jack are not 'Older Veterans' who needed to go for youth. They just hit reset not that long ago. The franchise needs to stop always looking to the future and start dealing in the present. Hire some coaches and front office employees with actual NHL experience and backgrounds. Use some of the prospects and picks to fill the gaps on the NHL roster to improve this team, then maybe the guys you were going to build around wouldn't be wanting out. Instead, we get more cheap inexperienced Hires and young players wanting out because they don't want to waste their prime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 36 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: This is probably the only thing I disagree with, It didn't have to happen. Risto, Sam and Jack are not 'Older Veterans' who needed to go for youth. They just hit reset not that long ago. The franchise needs to stop always looking to the future and start dealing in the present. Hire some coaches and front office employees with actual NHL experience and backgrounds. Use some of the prospects and picks to fill the gaps on the NHL roster to improve this team, then maybe the guys you were going to build around wouldn't be wanting out. Instead, we get more cheap inexperienced Hires and young players wanting out because they don't want to waste their prime The Eichel, Reinhart and Risto core won absolutely nothing and they all want out. The Sabre could keep everything in tact and then watch Reinhart and Risto walk for nothing next summer, Jack demand out with his No trade kicked in and then it becomes a scorched Earth rebuild with no pieces back to build with. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: The Eichel, Reinhart and Risto core won absolutely nothing and they all want out. The Sabre could keep everything in tact and then watch Reinhart and Risto walk for nothing next summer, Jack demand out with his No trade kicked in and then it becomes a scorched Earth rebuild with no pieces back to build with. The franchise could have also brought in a coach and/or GM with experience and not been the worst team in the league last year encouraging those guys to re-sign. Instead they go through another horrible year, see the team stick with 'status quo' trying to find diamonds in the rough with cheap and inexperience coaching and GM and now its time to rebuild again and toss away a core that has barely even hit their prime yet..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotentPowerPlay21 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) I hope they get a good return for Eichel in a trade, but I don't think KA is up to it. Clearly, the combo of Jack,Sam and Risto was unsuccessful for the team so I don't regret turning the page entirely. However, the team has been severely mismanaged for many years now. Personnel decisions, both players and front office, have been terrible. We can all quote the bad free agent signings (Skinner,Okposo) and the bad trades (too numerous), but in fairness it was a team effort to fail this badly. The question now is whether the team has the structure in place to turn the franchise around. Is the leadership and vision from ownership capable of winning in this league? All indications are, "NO". It has been a decade since the Pegulas have run the team. Maybe some positive signs should have shown themselves by now if they were competent? Nothing but failure so far! Do they have the personnel management team in place to succeed i.e. GM,scouts,coaches? It doesn't look like it, but they get a little more time to prove themselves. Sometimes you find something good in the bargain bin. Do they have the players to compete for the Stanley Cup? No! Some day the core of the current players on the roster might develop into something good, but right now it looks bleak for the short term. If this analysis is wrong, I will be very happy. I hope it is wrong, but they have to convince me with results. Time will tell. Edited July 25, 2021 by PotentPowerPlay21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 I agree it's a tank year for this franchise. The difference between this tank and the previous tank is the cupboard is not as bare as it was in 2013-15. You've got Cozens, Dahlin, Power, with guys like Quinn and Rosen.... there's definitely some pieces there, but IMO most are still 2-3 years away or more from being significant contributors. In the meantime, let the tank roll. The next 2 drafts are blockbusters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag0nDan Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 I won't be heartbroken if we don't finish last. Guaranteed nothing in the draft now, just play hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said: I won't be heartbroken if we don't finish last. Guaranteed nothing in the draft now, just play hockey But if you finish last You automatically a lock to get a franchise player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 Just now, Buffalonill said: But if you finish last You automatically a lock to get a franchise player We just did this and are now trading him. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag0nDan Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 Just now, Buffalonill said: But if you finish last You automatically a lock to get a franchise player Yeah, I guess... I'm just at the point where they need to start building a team and an organization from the ground up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 25, 2021 Report Share Posted July 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, WildCard said: We just did this and are now trading him. But these 3 are better And will actually have a system in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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