spndnchz Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, PASabreFan said: I also heard that a strong argument against telling people to wear masks was the fear people would feel invincible and give up on social distancing. Have you driven by a Supermarket today? The stores are packed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, SDS said: Did you watch all four hours? No, I didnt sign up for the webinar in time so I haven't seen it. It sounds like the webinar will be released in pieces over the coming weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Claude_Verret said: I wish I had seen this webinar, but this is an excellent summary of it and major takeaways. Highly recommended reading to get the 30,000 ft view on pandemics and COVID-19. https://nutritionfacts.org/2020/04/16/takeaways-from-my-webinar-on-covid-19/ Great read for a layman! Thank you. I went top to bottom. Worth mentioning, because this is expert analysis that provides insight in a direction contrary to one I'd put forward as an amateur, is that the author sees the wet market as the source with no mention of the germ lab. The original source matters little to me when I'm looking at government culpability, but it's VERY important in terms of learning what happened and making sure it doesn't happen again. Edited April 17, 2020 by Neo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 I heard a Boy Scout actually came up with the plastic ‘tie-back’ thing for masks so the ears don’t get all chapped. And he shared the 3D program with everyone. Pretty cool. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Eleven said: You sure about that? I'm sure there's a few, but they're definitely in the minority. It's really simple though, when being told to wear masks by people who aren't wearing masks, the message becomes confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, shrader said: I'm sure there's a few, but they're definitely in the minority. It's really simple though, when being told to wear masks by people who aren't wearing masks, the message becomes confusing. My message would be a slap to the face or a knee to the reproductive area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, spndnchz said: Have you driven by a Supermarket today? The stores are packed. Ours are letting only so many people at one time... have to wait outside... got toilet paper today whoo hooo... BTW test came back negative again so who know what I had... Go back to work Sunday night and gonna sleep in my own bed tonight... no temp for 5 days... but oof my special needs 13 year old is bouncing off the walls... cant wait til weather warms up and run him.., Edited April 17, 2020 by North Buffalo 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 17 hours ago, Neo said: You know, I almost typed “the good news is, we can still blame Trump, for those keeping score at home” .... I saw it ... I saw it .... There are those who will take joy in that (not at all saying you are one of them). Since this wasn't moved to the politics club, is it fair game? I have a bit to say if it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Eleven said: Since this wasn't moved to the politics club, is it fair game? I have a bit to say if it is. If names aren’t mentioned, I don’t see the problem. ‘They’. Includes govs, pres, overall system (which I think is the problem) can’t we all get along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Neo said: Great read for a layman! Thank you. I went top to bottom. Worth mentioning, because this is expert analysis that provides insight in a direction contrary to one I'd put forward as an amateur, is that the author sees the wet market as the source with no mention of the germ lab. The original source matters little to me when I'm looking at government culpability, but it's VERY important in terms of learning what happened and making sure it doesn't happen again. He does mention that the wet market bat theory is the currently accepted theory, and I agree that it was an early and widely accepted theory, but the lab leak is certainly another plausible one. I mentioned early on in this thread than nobody knows the full picture of what is going on in real time no matter what their credentials are. That includes expert virologists, epidemiologists, the President and random bloggers that you see quoted on social media. Anyone who tells you that they know how things are working right now or how they will end up months from now are simply guessing. Some are making those guesses from a foundation that warrants attention, but most are just pulling stuff from their ass. The epidemiologists and virologists will give us a full post mortem on this pandemic that will be vetted by peer review, but that's going to take a few years...and let's face it by then most people wont care. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Eleven said: Since this wasn't moved to the politics club, is it fair game? I have a bit to say if it is. Fine with me, of course ... but if it heads to politics, it becomes flotsam and jetsam to me. Edited April 17, 2020 by Neo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 39 minutes ago, spndnchz said: If names aren’t mentioned, I don’t see the problem. ‘They’. Includes govs, pres, overall system (which I think is the problem) can’t we all get along? A name already was mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Eleven said: Since this wasn't moved to the politics club, is it fair game? I have a bit to say if it is. It's been moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, nfreeman said: It's been moved. Does my warning point get moved as well? ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 https://www.cureus.com/articles/29004-acetazolamide-nifedipine-and-phosphodiesterase-inhibitors-rationale-for-their-utilization-as-adjunctive-countermeasures-in-the-treatment-of-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19 Interesting article comparing altitude sickness and covid... for Docs here that can make more sense of it than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: https://www.cureus.com/articles/29004-acetazolamide-nifedipine-and-phosphodiesterase-inhibitors-rationale-for-their-utilization-as-adjunctive-countermeasures-in-the-treatment-of-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19 Interesting article comparing altitude sickness and covid... for Docs here that can make more sense of it than me. Theory is that this acts more like a lung that is injured by altitude sickness moreso than a viral pneumonia, this is why we're finding that intubation really shouldn't be a first or even 2nd option as the increased Peep (positive pressure) from the ventilator may actually be damaging lungs further, rather than helping. These drugs works in all different ways, they alkalize blood and allow for better oxygenation of the blood cells (plus many other responses, anti inflammatory possibly, etc) We're starting to get into the realm of now just grabbing things and trying them, I would have to imagine the success of these is very limited. When it comes to the science/patho/medicine of the disease process itself, it's very muddy, ever changing. We have a solid viral base, but that's about it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, nfreeman said: It's been moved. 39 minutes ago, SwampD said: Does my warning point get moved as well? ?? No kidding. Liger wasn't wrong about the blind spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, SwampD said: Does my warning point get moved as well? ?? 40 minutes ago, Eleven said: No kidding. Liger wasn't wrong about the blind spot. As always, if either of you, or anyone else, thinks a post should be moved, all you need to do is point out the particular post. The ad hominem attack is gratuitous and, regrettably, not new. When you call me or anyone else a liar in this manner, you are, as it happens, manifesting a blind spot to your own poor behavior, since this of course is not how people should converse. You are also demonstrating your inability to engage in a conversation that is even peripherally related to politics without falling into such behavior -- which of course is why such conversation should stay in the politics club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, nfreeman said: As always, if either of you, or anyone else, thinks a post should be moved, all you need to do is point out the particular post. The ad hominem attack is gratuitous and, regrettably, not new. When you call me or anyone else a liar in this manner, you are, as it happens, manifesting a blind spot to your own poor behavior, since this of course is not how people should converse. You are also demonstrating your inability to engage in a conversation that is even peripherally related to politics without falling into such behavior -- which of course is why such conversation should stay in the politics club. Not sure where this liar stuff is coming from. Nobody called you a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, SwampD said: Not sure where this liar stuff is coming from. Nobody called you a liar. We've been over this multiple times. If I say that I don't choose the posts to be moved based on political views, and you say "yes, you do" -- you're calling me a liar. It's not OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, nfreeman said: We've been over this multiple times. If I say that I don't choose the posts to be moved based on political views, and you say "yes, you do" -- you're calling me a liar. It's not OK. He's calling you unaware of your bias, not a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted April 17, 2020 Report Share Posted April 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, nfreeman said: We've been over this multiple times. If I say that I don't choose the posts to be moved based on political views, and you say "yes, you do" -- you're calling me a liar. It's not OK. If this is your logic, then yes, I am calling you a liar. Everyone sees it but you. I’ll see you all when nfreeman lets me back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Here's one for ya, Neo. Who owns the Smithfield plant that had all the cases of Covid-19? Someone just asked that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Here's one for ya, Neo. Who owns the Smithfield plant that had all the cases of Covid-19? Someone just asked that question. Follow the money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Am I in the minority, when I say I click on this thread to read about the Covid19 virus itself, new news on testing, first hand stories of the front lines, and closely related info, and not about (at times) immature or blind hatred political jabs at a politician(s). Some literally don’t have the ability to not jab and let everyone know how they feel or think politically. When there’s a perfectly good thread to share that ... that a way ——> 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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