PASabreFan Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) Now, I didn't like the idea that the NHL was helping the Pegulas with their GM search when they ended up hiring Botterill. That said, I would expect the NHL to be very interested in the continuing train derailment in Western New York and to maybe have a thing or two to say to the owners. The league has to be nervous that a breaking/tipping point might be coming for a franchise that's very important to the league. If that thing or two includes a strong suggestion that you need an experienced hockey guy at the top of the organization chart, and, Terry, it can't be you, I'm all for it. Edited January 29, 2020 by PASabreFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 I don’t think anyone from the league sets ultimatums for owners, the commissioner works for the owners after all. However, I could honestly see Terry asking people within the league for suggestions and being advised that getting an experienced President of Hockey Ops may be helpful. I wouldn’t be opposed to it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Like someone before me said, we don’t need an “expierienced” guy, we need the “right” guy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Botterill is well liked across the league. if the league advised Terry of anything it was to can Murray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: Botterill is well liked across the league. if the league advised Terry of anything it was to can Murray After the ROR trade I'm more than positive the entire leagues management teams love them some Botterill in Buffalo....... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: After the ROR trade I'm more than positive the entire leagues management teams love them some Botterill in Buffalo....... We are talking about the League Office, not the other teams’ GMs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Curt said: We are talking about the League Office, not the other teams’ GMs. Well, St. Louis winning a cup certainly has the league all smiles given the length of time it took there, and ROR was undeniably the catalyst for that venture to occur. As I said, I'm 100% positive warm fuzzy feelings everywhere, including NHL HQ that Botterill is Buffalo........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Well, St. Louis winning a cup certainly has the league all smiles given the length of time it took there, and ROR was undeniably the catalyst for that venture to occur. As I said, I'm 100% positive warm fuzzy feelings everywhere, including NHL HQ that Botterill is Buffalo........ I don’t think the NHL wants any team to completely suck for a decade straight. It’s bad for business. They want parity, with every fan base excited that their team has a shot at the playoffs every year, so they buy tickets, buy merchandise, buy streaming services............. Why would the NHL be feeling warm and fuzzy that Buffalo hockey fans are at their wits end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 The NHL thinks? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Curt said: I don’t think the NHL wants any team to completely suck for a decade straight. It’s bad for business. They want parity, with every fan base excited that their team has a shot at the playoffs every year, so they buy tickets, buy merchandise, buy streaming services............. Why would the NHL be feeling warm and fuzzy that Buffalo hockey fans are at their wits end? Because they don't give a hoot about Buffalo fans. We are one of the smallest markets in the league, they could literally care less about this region, regardless of TV viewer ship. They don't care. This region was once just over 3 million people, it isn't now, not even close. We fans have 0 pull here in the Buffalo region when it comes to the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Because they don't give a hoot about Buffalo fans. We are one of the smallest markets in the league, they could literally care less about this region, regardless of TV viewer ship. They don't care. This region was once just over 3 million people, it isn't now, not even close. We fans have 0 pull here in the Buffalo region when it comes to the NHL. Disagree. They want everyone to make money. It’s a business with 32 franchise locations. They don’t want one of their 32 locations to go into a downward spiral into oblivion. It will cost them money. Its like saying that McDonalds doesn’t care about the restaurants in Buffalo because restaurants in some other locations have more customers. They want to make more money everywhere! At all of their locations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, Curt said: Disagree. They want everyone to make money. It’s a business with 32 franchise locations. They don’t want one of their 32 locations to go into a downward spiral into oblivion. It will cost them money. Its like saying that McDonalds doesn’t care about the restaurants in Buffalo because restaurants in some other locations have more customers. They want to make more money everywhere! At all of their locations! Oh I didn't say the franchise didn't make money, it does, primarily through revenue share, but merchandise and ticket sales play a role as well. And in case you hadn't noticed, ticket sales and ticket re-sales, they're down, merchandise, well, even I bought an Eichel 50th. But here is the thing, I was going to buy 7 of them this year, 6 players and one custom 50th for my future "Hall of Swords" man cave in the new house the Mrs. and I are having built. I didn't. Those 6 Jersey's that they didn't sell to me due to their performance, that's "lost revenue". Now, how many fans do you think have already, are now or are going to take my course of action due to, "Performance"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Ankles Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 50 minutes ago, tom webster said: Like someone before me said, we don’t need an “expierienced” guy, we need the “right” guy. +1 on this. Experience is just one method to learn wisdom, as the saying goes. You also have imitation, the easiest, reflection, the most noble. But don’t discount experience, which does have value, and serves as the most bitter to obtain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted January 29, 2020 Report Share Posted January 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Oh I didn't say the franchise didn't make money, it does, primarily through revenue share, but merchandise and ticket sales play a role as well. And in case you hadn't noticed, ticket sales and ticket re-sales, they're down, merchandise, well, even I bought an Eichel 50th. But here is the thing, I was going to buy 7 of them this year, 6 players and one custom 50th for my future "Hall of Swords" man cave in the new house the Mrs. and I are having built. I didn't. Those 6 Jersey's that they didn't sell to me due to their performance, that's "lost revenue". Now, how many fans do you think have already, are now or are going to take my course of action due to, "Performance"? The things you are saying here make it sound like you are agreeing with me, but you are phrasing it in a way that says you disagree. What are you arguing? The Buffalo Sabres are making less money and you think the league is all smiles about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Curt said: The things you are saying here make it sound like you are agreeing with me, but you are phrasing it in a way that says you disagree. What are you arguing? The Buffalo Sabres are making less money and you think the league is all smiles about that? I'm not arguing Curt, I stated I didn't believe the NHL gives a hoot about what Buffalo fans think, and they don't, regardless of how ticket, merchandise and other sales go. They don't care if such a small market slacks on TV viewer ship. They care about larger markets, markets that have the ability to grow. Buffalo, unfortunately, does not for what ever reason. They were borderline back when Hamilton wanted a team, it would be wise to remember that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, PASabreFan said: Now, I didn't like the idea that the NHL was helping the Pegulas with their GM search when they ended up hiring Botterill. That said, I would expect the NHL to be very interested in the continuing train derailment in Western New York and to maybe have a thing or two to say to the owners. The league has to be nervous that a breaking/tipping point might be coming for a franchise that's very important to the league. If that thing or two includes a strong suggestion that you need an experienced hockey guy at the top of the organization chart, and, Terry, it can't be you, I'm all for it. Well according to these stats the answer is not much. Only Arizona, Florida and Columbus are valued as worth-less. https://www.statista.com/statistics/193732/franchise-value-of-national-hockey-league-teams-in-2010/ Now what makes you think that this franchise is very important to the league? The only thing the league cares about is revenue and coast to coast geography for national TV coverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, PerreaultForever said: Well according to these stats the answer is not much. Only Arizona, Florida and Columbus are valued as worth-less. https://www.statista.com/statistics/193732/franchise-value-of-national-hockey-league-teams-in-2010/ Now what makes you think that this franchise is very important to the league? The only thing the league cares about is revenue and coast to coast geography for national TV coverage. Exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: I'm not arguing Curt, I stated I didn't believe the NHL gives a hoot about what Buffalo fans think, and they don't, regardless of how ticket, merchandise and other sales go. They don't care if such a small market slacks on TV viewer ship. They care about larger markets, markets that have the ability to grow. Buffalo, unfortunately, does not for what ever reason. They were borderline back when Hamilton wanted a team, it would be wise to remember that. I think they want to make as much money as possible in all markets, but who knows, maybe dollars from Buffalo are worth less or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 They think it’s a laughingstock and feel sorry for the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) Legacy means Jack s%&t in 2020 Western culture. If the Sabres' legacy meant anything to the NHL in the near past, the Pegulas have urinated all over that legacy, negating any last hope the league would care about the Sabres beyond money. Follow the money. If there's money to be had in intervening with this clusterf&^k of an ownership period and assisting the Sabres somehow, they'll do it. If the money says let Pegula trash the team enough so it exits Buffalo, then that's what they'll let happen. Edited January 30, 2020 by ... The Ghost of Dwight Drane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 5 hours ago, triumph_communes said: Botterill is well liked across the league. if the league advised Terry of anything it was to can Murray JNot has yet to best Murray's point totals. That's ***** sad,… and pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 I literally have not seen another Sabres fan out here on the west coast in years. Undercover fans too embarrassed to wear the colours sure, maybe. But someone wearing a jersey or hat , you don’t see em. Go to a Canucks Sabres game you’ll see it but on the street no. Its been about 11 or 12 years since I shelled out the bucks to go to a game. Its terrible frickin hockey. This franchise is a literal laughing stock in these parts. The butt of the joke. On every sport radio show its common to hear the hosts bust a gut when talking about this shitshow. And I’m a fan for 45 years livin the dream. I don’t think they’ll ever get it right. So I know what people think of this team and it ain’t good but it is earned. Ownership and management have put the fans in this uncomfortable position. Its a disgrace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 This is what we have become under Pegula. Look at their 9 years in the league. They were terrible and for some crazy reason the nhl put them in the Adams Division for their last painful years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 13 hours ago, PerreaultForever said: Now what makes you think that this franchise is very important to the league? The only thing the league cares about is revenue and coast to coast geography for national TV coverage. Think of Buffalo as a Canadian city on the wrong side of the border. The NHL likes to keep their Canadian small market cities to keep the Canadian flavor of the league. And economically, Buffalo is a part of that. The more small market teams in the league, the more they can drive the economics of the league to make the small Canadian cities viable as NHL locations. 7 hours ago, bunomatic said: On every sport radio show its common to hear the hosts bust a gut when talking about this shitshow. I don't think this is true at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 30, 2020 Report Share Posted January 30, 2020 14 hours ago, triumph_communes said: Botterill is well liked across the league. Of course he is. Have you seen his trades? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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