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Sabres Trade Alex Nylander to Chicago for D Man Henri Jokiharju

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Both players in the trade are developing works in progress. Joker looks really nice right now playing mostly sheltered minutes. Perfect place for him this season.

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36 minutes ago, triumph_communes said:

Joki is only 20, but is being handled by Krueger as if he's a veteran.  Unlike Dahlin, who is only a year younger.  Speaks volumes.

Not a huge surprise.  Joker has always been more defensively responsible.  It took Karlsson and Hedman time to develop their 2 way games.  

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59 minutes ago, Zamboni said:

Both players in the trade are developing works in progress. Joker looks really nice right now playing mostly sheltered minutes. Perfect place for him this season.

How are Jokiharju's minutes sheltered?  He's on the 2nd PK pairing.  Not trying to be argumentative, and have seen some sheltering, i.e., Scandella being out with Ristolainen late in the 3rd last night.  But for the most part IMHO he hasn't been terribly sheltered.

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How are you supposed to pronounce his name. They say it different in the game vs the instigators . Which is correct 

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2 minutes ago, miles said:

How are you supposed to pronounce his name. They say it different in the game vs the instigators . Which is correct 

J is pronounced like a Y.  Yo kee har yoo.

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42 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

J is pronounced like a Y.  Yo kee har yoo.

Where is he from?  I can't remember.  You are correct, if he hails from a Slavic nation.

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1 minute ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

Where is he from?  I can't remember.  You are correct, if he hails from a Slavic nation.

Finland.

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2 hours ago, triumph_communes said:

Joki is only 20, but is being handled by Krueger as if he's a veteran.  Unlike Dahlin, who is only a year younger.  Speaks volumes.

Dahlin plays more when the team needs offence. Joki plays more when the team needs defence.

Dahlin is on the first unit PP, Joki on the 2nd unit PK. They both play in OT. Dahlin gets more minutes overall.

Seems to me they are being handled very similarly. As in being used in a manner that best helps the team succeed.

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1 hour ago, Doohickie said:

Finland.

Well, Finland is definitely not a Slavic language.  Not saying that your idea on how to say his name is wrong, as I don't know.  Finish is one of the hardest languages to figure out.

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3 minutes ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

Well, Finland is definitely not a Slavic language.  Not saying that your idea on how to say his name is wrong, as I don't know.  Finish is one of the hardest languages to figure out.

To my understanding, the correct pronunciation is Yokee-har-yu 

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2 minutes ago, Curt said:

To my understanding, the correct pronunciation is Yokee-har-yu 

That's what he said ...

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2 hours ago, miles said:

How are you supposed to pronounce his name. They say it different in the game vs the instigators . Which is correct 

I believe Lid-strum is the correct one 

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3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

How's Nylander doing in Chicago? 

 

22 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

This is turning into a real hockey trade

Nylander 5gm 2g 2a 4pts +1 He is skating 11 minutes a game.  
 

Jokiharju 9gm 0g 3a +4 skating 16:30 per night.

Does that help?

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21 minutes ago, sabills said:

From this:
Jokiharju Henri (joh-kee-HARH-yoo, HEHN-ree)

J - soft G as in general

 

Thanks, but I prefer Joker-Smoker-Midnight Toker.

 

 

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2 hours ago, New Scotland (NS) said:

That's what he said ...

Haha, sorry.  I thought you were the one who was originally asking.  I throw my full support behind his pronunciation.

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On 10/22/2019 at 6:53 PM, inkman said:

Which is interesting since some posters like to harp on Dahlin for this very issue 🙄

 

On 10/22/2019 at 6:58 PM, SwampD said:

Probably because Dahlin’s lead to goals.

Ugh.

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I swear I have seen that third question asked somewhere else before 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

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1 minute ago, Brawndo said:

I swear I have seen that third question asked somewhere else before 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

The saying goes that players go from "prospect to suspect to reject."  I think he's clearly in suspect, and going in the wrong direction.

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Here is the question and answer about Nylander 

 

I buy into the idea that (Alex) Nylander is still real young and could develop into something more. But what I don’t buy into is the idea that a coaching staff led by (Jeremy) Colliton has the ability to develop or improve upon the players on its roster. I just don’t see any reason to believe in this unproven coach with no résumé. Can you convince me otherwise? — Tom M.

I’m guessing no, I can’t. We’re 14 months into Colliton’s NHL coaching career, and while objectively speaking it’s probably too early to say anything definitively, it sure seems like most fans have made up their minds. And I get it. We haven’t seen any sort of linear progression from this team; they’re all over the map. The structure and team defense (presumably one of the reasons Joel Quenneville was fired) hasn’t improved. The team has character and resiliency, and that counts, but we still don’t know what its identity is besides hoping Patrick Kane and Robin Lehner steal a win. But if we’re being objective about it, there’s only so much you can do with the player personnel you’re given. Could Barry Trotz make this team a defensive juggernaut? Maybe. Could anyone else? Doubtful.

I also don’t think we can fairly state how Colliton and his staff are developing young players yet. I’ll never understand why Colliton and Bowman were so eager to move on from Henri Jokiharju, but they do deserve credit for the way Kirby Dach and Adam Boqvist have stepped in, each a year earlier than expected, and held their own this season. Colliton has brought Dach along slowly — sheltering him in the bottom six, stingily doling out minutes, putting him with defensively responsible wingers such as Ryan Carpenter and Zack Smith — until finally unleashing him a bit recently with Alex DeBrincat and Dylan Strome. That’s how Quenneville brought DeBrincat along (remember all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over his time spent on the third line as a rookie?), and that worked out pretty darn well. And Strome went from a bust in Arizona to a core piece in Chicago pretty quickly under Colliton. If you’re going to blame Colliton for how he’s handling Nylander (and that’s entirely fair), you also have to acknowledge where he’s succeeded. Dach, Boqvist, Strome and even Dominik Kubalik have made significant strides with this staff.

Bill Belichick had a losing record in five of his first six seasons in Cleveland and New England. I’m certainly not saying Colliton is the next Belichick. But only time will tell whether Colliton is the forward-thinking coach of the future that Bowman envisioned or an inexperienced guy who’s simply in over his head. The problem is, nobody wants to wait to find out.

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In the incomplete vacuum strawman comparisons of just pointzzz....

Since the trade...

A. Nylander ... 39 games. 5 goals, 9 assists. 
 

H. Jokiharju ... 42 games. 3 goals, 7 assists.

Nylander has looked (most games) very pedestrian. Not terrible. Nothing great.

Joker has looked mostly solid, effective and smart with his positioning and puck movement.

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