TrueBlueGED Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Outside of Kane, who would this include? Okposo maybe? Reinhart. Despite the public comments from Botterill, maybe O'Reilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Reinhart. Despite the public comments from Botterill, maybe O'Reilly. Unless the return is off the charts, I'm not moving them. They should be a part our OUR core, not Philly's. I will lose my if this happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Reinhart. Despite the public comments from Botterill, maybe O'Reilly. If I am moving ROR to Philly, Sanheim and Frost are the start of Phillies offer. I would then go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Unless the return is off the charts, I'm not moving them. They should be a part our OUR core, not Philly's. I will lose my ###### if this happens. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Unless the return is off the charts, I'm not moving them. They should be a part our OUR core, not Philly's. I will lose my ###### if this happens. I agree. But if we're talking a major trade (a real one, not a hype machine one), then those are the names that jumped into my mind. FWIW, Philly has some real nice pieces on the blue line that it might be worth moving Sam for. O'Reilly is a harder sell for me unless the name coming back is Provorov (and it wouldn't be). This draft is rich in forward talent at the top. Unless we win the lottery, we're probably going with a forward there. I guess what I'm trying to say is it'll be easier to replace Sam through the draft that to get a blue chip Dman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 I agree. More agreement - the only ones I'd possibly move would be Kane/Lehner/Johnson/Pouiot/Okposo/Larsson/Gus. I'd move Pommers too but no one would take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 If I am moving ROR to Philly, Sanheim and Frost are the start of Phillies offer. I would then go from there. The only ROR trade that would make sense to me is Provorov, and we all know that isn't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 I agree. But if we're talking a major trade (a real one, not a hype machine one), then those are the names that jumped into my mind. FWIW, Philly has some real nice pieces on the blue line that it might be worth moving Sam for. O'Reilly is a harder sell for me unless the name coming back is Provorov (and it wouldn't be). This draft is rich in forward talent at the top. Unless we win the lottery, we're probably going with a forward there. I guess what I'm trying to say is it'll be easier to replace Sam through the draft that to get a blue chip Dman. While I think Reinhart can be replaced I do not agree about the blue chip defender comment. The first round of most drafts has several blue chip defenders go anywhere from the top 5 to the last 5. There are numerous top NHL defenders that are 2nd round products. Defense is something that you don't need to finish bottom 5 or even 10 to get someone really really good. The only ROR trade that would make sense to me is Provorov, and we all know that isn't happening. Exactly. Sanhaim and Frost though make me listen. I would need more but Sanheim is a blue chip defender prospect and Frost is lighting the OHL on fire at 18 with 88points in 53 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 While I think Reinhart can be replaced I do not agree about the blue chip defender comment. The first round of most drafts has several blue chip defenders go anywhere from the top 5 to the last 5. There are numerous top NHL defenders that are 2nd round products. Defense is something that you don't need to finish bottom 5 or even 10 to get someone really really good. I never said we couldn't get a blue chip defender, but probabilistically, we're more likely to end up with a blue chip forward than a blue chip defender. Looking at this draft in particular, aside from Dahlin, the best prospect where we draft is a forward (unless you like Hughes a lot more than I do). That puts relying on a late-1st (if we get one for Kane) or an early 2nd for our Dman. The odds of that Dman being top pair quality is quite a bit lower than the odds of a top-5 forward pick being top line caliber, to say nothing of the likely timeline for development to those respective ceilings. That's what I was getting at with my comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Trading Reinhart for prospects sets the rebuild back a few years, and probably means O’Reilly and Okposo should follow. Trading Reinhart only makes sense to me in a Jones/Johansen Hodgson/Kassian type deal. The Philly rumour - which appears to be from a suspect source - indicates the flyers want trade futures for players who are good now. Kane, O’Reilly, Scandella, Risto, and maybe Lehner and Okposo are the only ones that fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Anything to load the system with 19 -22 year olds with high upside I am fine with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Trading Reinhart for prospects sets the rebuild back a few years, and probably means O’Reilly and Okposo should follow. Trading Reinhart only makes sense to me in a Jones/Johansen Hodgson/Kassian type deal. Eh, I dunno about that. Top-5 picks regularly come in and produce 40-50 point seasons within a year of being drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Eh, I dunno about that. Top-5 picks regularly come in and produce 40-50 point seasons within a year of being drafted. Sure, but Philly isn’t giving us a top 5 pick and I doubt anyone else is either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Sure, but Philly isn’t giving us a top 5 pick and I doubt anyone else is either. If we get Frost we might get top 5 production from non top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 I’m not so sure there will be a big “splash” for the Sabres this trade season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastajoe Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 So if the Sabres trade players and need bodies to fill the roster, instead of bringing up Amerks might they bring Moulson back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 I’m not so sure there will be a big “splash” for the Sabres this trade season. So the rentals Kane, Pouliot and maybe Gorges get moved and maybe a hockey trade around the draft when more teams are willing to make deals? From Craig Custance, he ranked the Top Trade Deadline Candidates. Kane was Number One 1. Evander Kane, F, Sabres – A team acquiring Kane would be getting a player motivated to capitalize on the big stage that comes with a potential playoff run. Kane started the season on fire, playing at nearly a point-per-game pace through December. That production has slowed lately with just three goals and four points in 2018. Still, his track record is established enough that teams know what they’re getting. “He’s still a hell of a player,” said one NHL scout. “It’s his contract year. He wants to cash in big. He’s not going to mess that up.” That seems to be the prevailing thought with eight to 10 teams already showing interest in the Sabres winger as of Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Sure, but Philly isn’t giving us a top 5 pick and I doubt anyone else is either. What I meant was we're probably drafting top-5 this year, and unless the lottery blesses us, that pick is more easily replacing Sam's production than it is giving us a defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 So the rentals Kane, Pouliot and maybe Gorges get moved and maybe a hockey trade around the draft when more teams are willing to make deals? From Craig Custance, he ranked the Top Trade Deadline Candidates. Kane was Number One 1. Evander Kane, F, Sabres – A team acquiring Kane would be getting a player motivated to capitalize on the big stage that comes with a potential playoff run. Kane started the season on fire, playing at nearly a point-per-game pace through December. That production has slowed lately with just three goals and four points in 2018. Still, his track record is established enough that teams know what they’re getting. “He’s still a hell of a player,” said one NHL scout. “It’s his contract year. He wants to cash in big. He’s not going to mess that up.” That seems to be the prevailing thought with eight to 10 teams already showing interest in the Sabres winger as of Monday. Kane ain’t getting shît unless he gets re-signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 I am amused that on the one hand long time posters tend to think this team is awful (not wrong) but on the other hand they'd do things like "lose their s##t" if a piece of that team gets traded and would only trade a few guys (mostly guys not many people would want). You really can't have it both ways guys. If the team is truly awful, why not trade everyone/anyone but Jack? Philly has a loaded cupboard. We could do well if they are willing to move some of it for the present and moving a guy like ROR frees up a lot of free agency salary room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) Kane ain’t getting shît unless he gets re-signed.Gulp, so the return is going to suck for him and we have to listen to Harrington gloat that I told you so. Aww Edited February 13, 2018 by Brawndo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 Can we just make a move already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 I think Lehner will go to philly. Kane to the blues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 What I meant was we're probably drafting top-5 this year, and unless the lottery blesses us, that pick is more easily replacing Sam's production than it is giving us a defenseman.Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 From Elliote Friedman's 31 Thoughts today: 11. I can’t pin it down, but a few teams suspected there was some traction between Buffalo and Philadelphia. Their two AHL teams, Lehigh Valley and Rochester, met last Saturday. It sounds like it depends on if the Flyers’ wish to buy, and they woke up Wednesday five points into the playoffs. What's Philly got that we'd want to buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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