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#Sabres lines:

Kane-Eichel-Pominville

Girgensons-ROR-Okposo

Pouliot-Reinhart-Griffith

Moulson-Larsson-Baptiste

Deslauriers-Josefson-Bailey

 

On defense:

Scandella-Risto

Beaulieu-Bogosian

Gorges-Antipin

Falk-Tennyson

Goloubef-Fedun

 

Jake McCabe is absent.

Dangerously close to what the regular season will look like. I think Griffith with Reinhart is almost guaranteed. Bailey and Baptiste are fighting for that 4th rw spot. 

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Dangerously close to what the regular season will look like. I think Griffith with Reinhart is almost guaranteed. Bailey and Baptiste are fighting for that 4th rw spot.

I'm trying to figure out all things Seth Griffith. As far as I can tell, he's an undersized tweener, elite for the AHL and relatively unproven for the NHL. Any reason you are certain of his future?

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I'm trying to figure out all things Seth Griffith. As far as I can tell, he's an undersized tweener, elite for the AHL and relatively unproven for the NHL. Any reason you are certain of his future?

Oh I am not certain. I just think he will get a chance on that 3rd line for bit. No idea if he make sit but I have liked what I have seen from him. 

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No one is saying that McNabb is a star, but he undeniably is an NHL defenseman who's thus far had a better career than, say, Pysyk.  He absolutely would've played plenty of minutes on the Sabres last season and the season before.

 

The point, again, is that so far, the Fasching-McNabb trade looks like another lousy move by XGMTM.

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No one is saying that McNabb is a star, but he undeniably is an NHL defenseman who's thus far had a better career than, say, Pysyk.  He absolutely would've played plenty of minutes on the Sabres last season and the season before.

 

The point, again, is that so far, the Fasching-McNabb trade looks like another lousy move by XGMTM.

 

You picked an interesting comparison there in Pysyk.  Stat-wise, they're essentially identical.  The only difference comes from McNabb being a year older and as a result playing a few extra games and for a much stronger team in LA.

 

I know it doesn't really have much of anything to do with your point, but I was curious and looked up their stats.  It's actually pretty impressive just how similar they are.

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No one is saying that McNabb is a star, but he undeniably is an NHL defenseman who's thus far had a better career than, say, Pysyk.  He absolutely would've played plenty of minutes on the Sabres last season and the season before.

 

The point, again, is that so far, the Fasching-McNabb trade looks like another lousy move by XGMTM.

I don't really think this is true, though I agree with your conclusion.

 

Pysyk wasn't a healthy scratch three times in the last month he played on a team with no defense after their top 3. 

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I don't really think this is true, though I agree with your conclusion.

 

Pysyk wasn't a healthy scratch three times in the last month he played on a team with no defense after their top 3. 

 

OK, but Pysyk was the #5 defenseman on a really bad team last year, and has never played a bigger NHL role than that.  McNabb has played a substantially bigger role on a very good team, which shrunk to a smaller role last year after he missed significant time with injury (I think a broken collarbone) and while the team itself was falling apart.

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No one is saying that McNabb is a star, but he undeniably is an NHL defenseman who's thus far had a better career than, say, Pysyk. He absolutely would've played plenty of minutes on the Sabres last season and the season before.

 

The point, again, is that so far, the Fasching-McNabb trade looks like another lousy move by XGMTM.

And, sadly, on this team Deslauriers has consistently been an NHLer. That McNabb was good enough to not cause a Norris Trophy winner to suck isn't truly a high compliment.

OK, but Pysyk was the #5 defenseman on a really bad team last year, and has never played a bigger NHL role than that. McNabb has played a substantially bigger role on a very good team, which shrunk to a smaller role last year after he missed significant time with injury (I think a broken collarbone) and while the team itself was falling apart.

McNabb has cosistently been used with Daughty but typically is 5th in ice time. These 2 things indicate less about McNabb's skill level than Daughty's. Edited by Taro T
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OK, but Pysyk was the #5 defenseman on a really bad team last year, and has never played a bigger NHL role than that.  McNabb has played a substantially bigger role on a very good team, which shrunk to a smaller role last year after he missed significant time with injury (I think a broken collarbone) and while the team itself was falling apart.

So you are willing to admit that injuries can impact a player. Hudson Fasching had a groin injury last year. It sidelined him from the NHL and definitely slowed down his AHL development. I might give Hudson another year before declaring the trade a fail. 

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Well, McNabb has averaged just under 16 min, just under 19 min and just over 15 min.  That is top 4 to top 6 ice time.

 

One of my kids is a big Kings fan.   He say McNabb is terrible, there a reason they left him unprotected for Vegas to up.   He's slow and has poor decision making.... not a good fit for today's NHL.

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No one is saying that McNabb is a star, but he undeniably is an NHL defenseman who's thus far had a better career than, say, Pysyk.  He absolutely would've played plenty of minutes on the Sabres last season and the season before.

 

The point, again, is that so far, the Fasching-McNabb trade looks like another lousy move by XGMTM.

 

Didn't we get DLo in that trade too?  I mean, yeah, he's borderline NHL material, but he provided grit when the team had no other source.

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So you are willing to admit that injuries can impact a player. Hudson Fasching had a groin injury last year. It sidelined him from the NHL and definitely slowed down his AHL development. I might give Hudson another year before declaring the trade a fail. 

 

Well, I haven't declared the trade a fail -- I said it looks that way.  I completely agree that it's not at all fair to judge Fasching yet.

 

However, my point about the time value of assets remains -- if we get zero out of Fasching for 4 full NHL seasons while McNabb is, say, a 16-min-per-game NHL defenseman, then Fasching needs to become a no-BS top-6, NHL winger in order for the trade to have been a good one for the Sabres.  If Fasching becomes a 12 min per game bottom-six forward, then it was a fail for the Sabres.

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Well, I haven't declared the trade a fail -- I said it looks that way.  I completely agree that it's not at all fair to judge Fasching yet.

 

However, my point about the time value of assets remains -- if we get zero out of Fasching for 4 full NHL seasons while McNabb is, say, a 16-min-per-game NHL defenseman, then Fasching needs to become a no-BS top-6, NHL winger in order for the trade to have been a good one for the Sabres.  If Fasching becomes a 12 min per game bottom-six forward, then it was a fail for the Sabres.

Why? McNabb was basically that for the Kings but on defense? 

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Why? McNabb was basically that for the Kings but on defense?

 

As was Deslauriers for the Sabres.

 

Fans keep looking at it like McNabb for Fasching. But that means it was 2 2nds for D-Lo. It more likely was D-Lo for McNabb & 2 2nds for Fasching. Have either 2nd shown any sign of life for the Kings? If not, the trade was basically a wash.

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