Sabres Fan in NS Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 1,300+ posts in this thread. Will we know before we hit 1,500? 15,000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 PensInitiative.com reporting their sources saying Sabres hiring Jason Botterill and announcement could come as soon as tomorrow. This posted one hour ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Each of these guys has been in the league long enough to know who they'd want as a coach and in other positions they rely upon. I wouldn't worry about the time crunch. All of the Sabres scouting notes are available and the incoming guy (Botteril) will have the Pens notes as well. It's not like there are 250 new players they've never seen before that need to be evaluated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I have thought about this before. There is part of me that wants to fire everyone down to the ticket-takers and completely disinfect the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 PensInitiative.com reporting their sources saying Sabres hiring Jason Botterill and announcement could come as soon as tomorrow. This posted one hour ago. Here is the link http://www.pensinitiative.com/2017/05/sources-sabres-to-hire-botterill-as-gm.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&m=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I believe Botterill is a good choice. He sounds like a cap expert but I would think he has an eye for talent as well. If not, then he needs to bring in some great evaluators. He's been part of some great teams so he deserves some credit. A cap expert sounds more like an accountant than a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Here is the link http://www.pensinitiative.com/2017/05/sources-sabres-to-hire-botterill-as-gm.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&m=1 That looks like a website I could have made in my 10th grade web design class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 That looks like a website I could have made in my 10th grade web design class. Oh Yeah, well we didn't have the internet when I was in 10th grade and we liked it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAud Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 (edited) I graduated HS with a guy who literally "sharpens skates" for the team. He has been a loyal and hard working (and I presume, competent) employee for more than 20 years. I don't know how much he makes, maybe $40k per year? Gets some health benefits I presume. So a bunch of millionaire coaches and management types, and millionaire players suck at winning hockey games for 5+ years and the way to fix that is to fire a bunch of people eking out their living? I can't believe folks are seriously suggesting to fire laundry washers and ticket sellers to have a "fresh start" on the ice? Frankly, that's appalling. We really need a new GM and Coach to start talking about how to upgrade the defense and play a more modern system and who should be the goalie, etc as opposed to firing the Earl of Bud to upgrade the team's Corsi. Edited May 6, 2017 by Sakman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I believe Botterill is a good choice. He sounds like a cap expert but I would think he has an eye for talent as well. If not, then he needs to bring in some great evaluators. He's been part of some great teams so he deserves some credit. A cap expert sounds more like an accountant than a GM. Is he really a cap expert tho? Next season the Pens have only 13 skaters under contract, with only $12m in cap space to fill 12 spots on the roster. They have $52m, over 70% of their cap, tied up in only 9 players. $38m, 50% of their cap, is going to 5 players.... Crosy, Maklin. Kessel, Letang, Fluery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Is he really a cap expert tho? Next season the Pens have only 13 skaters under contract, with only $12m in cap space to fill 12 spots on the roster. They have $52m, over 70% of their cap, tied up in only 9 players. $38m, 50% of their cap, is going to 5 players.... Crosy, Maklin. Kessel, Letang, Fluery. I'm not researching their team too heavily, but, Fleury should move, shedding 5.75 million. The Blackhawks have a cap expert too, but their core is now overvalued, as was the Kings..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I graduated HS with a guy who literally "sharpens skates" for the team. He has been a loyal and hard working (and I presume, competent) employee for more than 20 years. I don't know how much he makes, maybe $40k per year? Gets some health benefits I presume. So a bunch of millionaire coaches and management types, and millionaire players suck at winning hockey games for 5+ years and the way to fix that is to fire a bunch of people eking out their living? I can't believe folks are seriously suggesting to fire laundry washers and ticket sellers to have a "fresh start" on the ice? Frankly, that's appalling. We really need a new GM and Coach to start talking about how to upgrade the defense and play a more modern system and who should be the goalie, etc as opposed to firing the Earl of Bud to upgrade the team's Corsi. Also a valid opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Aside from the Bylsma issue, how history will judge Murray depends a lot on the outcome of the O'Reilly, Lehner, and Kane trades. He gave up quite a large number of assets in a short amount of time. Some of those assets, if kept, could have gone toward quality defensemen that could have saved this season and his job. However, it should also be noted that no draft pick Murray traded ever ended up being higher than the 21st overall pick. O'Reilly, Lehner, and Kane are already proven starters in this league and still have lots of room to grow. None of Pysyk, McNabb, Zadorov, or Weber are likely to end up as top-2 defensemen at this point. And none of Grigorenko, Armia, Lemieux, Compher look to be top-6 NHL forwards. Was Murray the right man for the job at the right time? Maybe. His trade aggression was a breath of fresh air compared to the overly timid Regier. The winners of trades are usually the GM's who received the best player. O'Reilly, Lehner, and Kane all may end up as top-100 NHL players who play critical roles in future Cup-contending Sabres teams. Or maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here.... I still think Murray could have saved himself by firing Bylsma and having some coherent answer to Pegula's question of how he was going to fix the team. But I am ready to move on and look forward to Mr. Botterill, if some of the rumors are to be believed. But then we wouldn't have O'Reilly, Lehner and Kane, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I'm not researching their team too heavily, but, Fleury should move, shedding 5.75 million. The Blackhawks have a cap expert too, but their core is now overvalued, as was the Kings..... Moving Fluery would help, but they only have 3 defensemen under contract next season. Not sure what they have in the pipeline, but they'll need to lean on some ELCs for certain. Looking over their roster, at some UFAs, you have to imagine Botterill will try to poach some of "his" guys if they become available... A guy like Matt Cullen, IMO, would be a great add, even at age 40. He can still skate, would be a huge upgrade over Gionta IMO. Then there's guys like Daley, Hainsey, Bonino, Kunitz... I could see atleast 2 of those guys filling important roles in BUF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Bradley GelberVerified account @BradleyGelber 4h4 hours ago More Elliotte Friedman saying he believes the #Sabres GM job is Botterill's & that the team could be waiting for the Pens series to wrap up. 4 replies40 retweets60 likes Reply 4 Retweet 40 Like 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Is he really a cap expert tho? Next season the Pens have only 13 skaters under contract, with only $12m in cap space to fill 12 spots on the roster. They have $52m, over 70% of their cap, tied up in only 9 players. $38m, 50% of their cap, is going to 5 players.... Crosy, Maklin. Kessel, Letang, Fluery. He had a hand in the development of cheap wingers to complement the core of expensive stars that allows them to win cups and avoid must-buy-out contracts in that situation, which is a plus for a team that has Eichel, O'Reilly, Risto, and a hopefully blossoming Reinhart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Is he really a cap expert tho? Next season the Pens have only 13 skaters under contract, with only $12m in cap space to fill 12 spots on the roster. They have $52m, over 70% of their cap, tied up in only 9 players. $38m, 50% of their cap, is going to 5 players.... Crosy, Maklin. Kessel, Letang, Fluery. Good teams with star players are going to be at or near the cap, and have a lot of money tied up in a small group. The test, in my view, is whether the team is overpaying the peripheral players. Pittsburgh is not. They didn't fall prey to paying for past performance. For example, they didn't try to squeeze Orpik under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I'm doubtful, but I really hope Pegs knows what he is doing with this hire. Maybe we don't know much about him, but Botterill seems like a safety choice. And I really hope Fenton didn't get the job based on more than just his "abrasive" personality. Seriously, isn't Pegs able to deal with anybody but yes men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 So a Botterill announcement Monday if Pens win tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I graduated HS with a guy who literally "sharpens skates" for the team. He has been a loyal and hard working (and I presume, competent) employee for more than 20 years. I don't know how much he makes, maybe $40k per year? Gets some health benefits I presume. So a bunch of millionaire coaches and management types, and millionaire players suck at winning hockey games for 5+ years and the way to fix that is to fire a bunch of people eking out their living? I can't believe folks are seriously suggesting to fire laundry washers and ticket sellers to have a "fresh start" on the ice? Frankly, that's appalling. We really need a new GM and Coach to start talking about how to upgrade the defense and play a more modern system and who should be the goalie, etc as opposed to firing the Earl of Bud to upgrade the team's Corsi. I couldn't agree more, well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 So a Botterill announcement Monday if Pens win tonight. If true, it almost makes ya want to root for Pittsburgh tonight, innit? Almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I'm doubtful, but I really hope Pegs knows what he is doing with this hire. Maybe we don't know much about him, but Botterill seems like a safety choice. And I really hope Fenton didn't get the job based on more than just his "abrasive" personality. Seriously, isn't Pegs able to deal with anybody but yes men? What does Fenton have for credentials that Botterill doesn't? Or is it just the attraction of a personality? Any GM in the league is a yes man if you're talking about answering to an owner. Okay, I'm getting the impression you don't like the owner based on you prefer confronting personality and not just who can build a team and organization. I liked Murray but you need to work with people. Fenton may be a good hire but no one has specifically explained why he's a better pick than Botterill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I'm doubtful, but I really hope Pegs knows what he is doing with this hire. Maybe we don't know much about him, but Botterill seems like a safety choice. And I really hope Fenton didn't get the job based on more than just his "abrasive" personality. Seriously, isn't Pegs able to deal with anybody but yes men? Maybe not yes men, but if he hires Botterill the trend line with both teams seems to be the hiring of young, unproven guys he can "work with" and wouldn't be expected to rock the HMS Flat Management Structure. No emperors, as Terry once said. I graduated HS with a guy who literally "sharpens skates" for the team. He has been a loyal and hard working (and I presume, competent) employee for more than 20 years. I don't know how much he makes, maybe $40k per year? Gets some health benefits I presume. So a bunch of millionaire coaches and management types, and millionaire players suck at winning hockey games for 5+ years and the way to fix that is to fire a bunch of people eking out their living? I can't believe folks are seriously suggesting to fire laundry washers and ticket sellers to have a "fresh start" on the ice? Frankly, that's appalling. We really need a new GM and Coach to start talking about how to upgrade the defense and play a more modern system and who should be the goalie, etc as opposed to firing the Earl of Bud to upgrade the team's Corsi. A bit of a straw man. I wouldn't go as far as you're suggesting. The core guys around the team? Yes. I mean, even the president gets to fire the black woman White House usher and replace her with an old, white, rich dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 Maybe not yes men, but if he hires Botterill the trend line with both teams seems to be the hiring of young, unproven guys he can "work with" and wouldn't be expected to rock the HMS Flat Management Structure. No emperors, as Terry once said. A bit of a straw man. I wouldn't go as far as you're suggesting. The core guys around the team? Yes. I mean, even the president gets to fire the black woman White House usher and replace her with an old, white, rich dude. You better believe as an owner I want people "I can work with". What kind of a business owner wouldn't? I'm beginning to think there is a bit of anti-Pegula sentiments who no matter what he does really doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 6, 2017 Report Share Posted May 6, 2017 I'm pretty sure you knew how I meant this ;) I do now...sorry, I'm getting old....not as quick as I used to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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