Thorny Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Curious as to if the Sweden option is still open, not quite sure and there's various views in the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Ulmark played there under his ELC. Didn't Karabacek play in Czech? No on Karabacek. Outside North America: "11.19 Loan to Clubs Outside North America. The SPC of any Player may contain a clause that provides that, in the event his NHL Club Loans the Player to a club outside the NHL, during the period of such Loan, the Player shall have the option to be Loaned to a club of his choice outside North America. The clause may relieve the NHL Club of the obligation to pay the Player his Paragraph 1 Salary for the duration of such Loan if such relief is expressly stated in the provision, but the NHL Club shall otherwise be responsible for all other payments due to the Player by the NHL Club pursuant to his SPC. Such clause shall be subject to any applicable Player Transfer Agreement between the NHL and a hockey federation and/or the IIHF in effect, at the time of the Loan. The Player shall be permitted to make financial arrangements for compensation and other benefits with the club outside North America for the duration of the Loan, which financial compensation and benefits shall not be included in Averaged Club Salary, Actual Club Salary, League-wide Player Compensation or the Players' Share. The Club shall be required to provide to the NHL and the NHLPA in accordance with Exhibit 3 any loan agreement entered into in relation to such Loan by no later than 5:00 p.m. New York time on the day following the day the Club has received the executed loan agreement." Note the language refers to specific transfer agreements, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Nylander will barely set foot in Buffalo. He needs to mature and Rochester or Sweden is the best place. He's not ready. Based on what? His age? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Based on what? His age? "film" :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnRobertEichel Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 He won't play 20 games in Buffalo. He'll either play 0 games (he's not ready), 9 games - so he gets a taste of the NHL but doesn't burn a year of his ELC, or the whole season if he's ready I think 9 games should be the minimal expectation for the vast majority of first round draft picks. It's good for young, highly competitive athletes to at least get a taste of what the pro level is like in terms of speed, strength, skills, conditioning, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 I think 9 games should be the minimal expectation for the vast majority of first round draft picks. It's good for young, highly competitive athletes to at least get a taste of what the pro level is like in terms of speed, strength, skills, conditioning, etc... I think there is some risk to exposing players who are legitimately not ready to the NHL game, even for a nine-game stint. Players who are close are able to use it to set certain goals but players who are truly far from the big club may see it as an unattainable goal or get completely knocked off track by the speed/physicality of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 I think there is some risk to exposing players who are legitimately not ready to the NHL game, even for a nine-game stint. Players who are close are able to use it to set certain goals but players who are truly far from the big club may see it as an unattainable goal or get completely knocked off track by the speed/physicality of the game. Watching Samson on his 9 game try out, I have to agree with Hoss, was actually scared someone would level the kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Watching Samson on his 9 game try out, I have to agree with Hoss, was actually scared someone would level the kid. It's amazing how far that yound lad has evolved. He looks jacked and fearless now. God I love the direction of this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Watching Samson on his 9 game try out, I have to agree with Hoss, was actually scared someone would level the kid. True. But it appears there was absolutely no ill-effects on his development. The exact opposite rather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 True. But it appears there was absolutely no ill-effects on his development. The exact opposite rather. He looked overmatched, but I don't think he falls into the category of players who were "so far away." He always had the skill and smarts to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7+6=13 Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) I'm not saying he will or that GMTM means he's ready to play. I do believe what they saw in the camp - made them think he's physically ready to have an opportunity to make the team or get some NHL playing time. “We are extremely pleased to sign Alex to his entry-level deal,” said Sabres General Manager Tim Murray. “When we selected Alex, we obviously knew he was a talented, skilled player. We look forward to him coming to training camp and competing for a job.” Edited July 17, 2016 by 7+6=13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) Based on what? His age?No, the fact his game isn't mature yet, he's not physically ready, and he needs to work on his play away from the puck. I'm not saying he will or that GMTM means he's ready to play. I do believe what they saw in the camp - made them think he's physically ready to have an opportunity to make the team or get some NHL playing time. “We are extremely pleased to sign Alex to his entry-level deal,” said Sabres General Manager Tim Murray. “When we selected Alex, we obviously knew he was a talented, skilled player. We look forward to him coming to training camp and competing for a job.” Of course he gets the opportunity but he's not ready. He's a rw. He's not built for the 4th line and Justin Bailey has that spot. He's not defensively sound enough for the 3rd line and Gionta isn't losing out. 2nd land, please he's gonna beat out Reinhart? And 1st line, yea Nylander is better then Okposo right now lol. I like nylander bUT he's not making the team this season which is perfectly fine. Edited July 17, 2016 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Nylander can play either wing. I don't think he is NHL ready either, but a slot on the LW could be available. Lets assume Vesey doesn't sign with us and Kane gets suspended by Gary Bettman, so who are our top 2 LW's at that point? Ennis and Moulson? In that scenario, I think Carrier and Nylander would both get an opportunity to make the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Nylander can play either wing. I don't think he is NHL ready either, but a slot on the LW could be available. Lets assume Vesey doesn't sign with us and Kane gets suspended by Gary Bettman, so who are our top 2 LW's at that point? Ennis and Moulson? In that scenario, I think Carrier and Nylander would both get an opportunity to make the team. In that scenario, Ennis and Girgensons are likely the LWs in the top-6, with Foligno, Moulson, and a prospect or two battling for the last spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I wrote earlier that Nylander still has all 4 options available to him (NHL, AHL, OHL and Sweden). This article confirms that despite his signing his ELC. http://www.mississauga.com/sports-story/6773516-mississauga-steelhead-alex-nylander-signs-with-buffalo-sabres/ In that scenario, Ennis and Girgensons are likely the LWs in the top-6, with Foligno, Moulson, and a prospect or two battling for the last spots. I agree on Ennis, but not sure about Girgensons. If we move him from the 4th line center job, we really don't have an adequate replacement. COR would be the best option, but he is a AAAA player at best. I envision a non traditional 4th line next year. I envision one that gets around 12 minutes a game and is expected to add to the offense. My hope is that Big Z starts to reach his potential and eventually force Larsson into the 4th line role. You forgot about Deslauriers. IMHO Deslauriers should be the 13th forward and emergency D this season. I think this scenario and the uncertainty surrounding Vesey is why Kane is still a Sabre. I figure that GMTM wants to keep all his options open with Kane (legal issues), Ennis (health issues), Moulson (non-performance issues), Nylander (lack of experience), and Vesey (lack of contract & experience) to see how the chips fall in training camp. I know GMTM probably wants a PP QB still, but likely won't make a move until he see what he has in Nelson and McCabe and sees how the LW situation resolves itself. First domino, Vesey Aug 15 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I'm late to the party, but I thought that the 9 games clause didn't apply to Nylander in this case because he wasn't going back to JRs, and that he could play as many game sup here as GMTM/DD want him, if they are sending him back to AHL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I'm late to the party, but I thought that the 9 games clause didn't apply to Nylander in this case because he wasn't going back to JRs, and that he could play as many game sup here as GMTM/DD want him, if they are sending him back to AHL? I think on the 10th game, it counts as a year on his ELC whether it's Juniors or AHL. It's not that you can't send a player back to Juniors after that 10th game (see: Grigorenko), but most teams don't as if you've already burned that ELC year you might as well keep the player up unless it's really not working out (see: Grigorenko). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I'm late to the party, but I thought that the 9 games clause didn't apply to Nylander in this case because he wasn't going back to JRs, and that he could play as many game sup here as GMTM/DD want him, if they are sending him back to AHL? Instead of JRs he would go back to Sweden after 9 games, and then his team in Sweden would decide whether or not to loan him to the OHL (likely after their season is over). His ELC would kick in only if he stays in BUF after 9 games or they send him to Roch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 He can play a full season in the AHL for two straight seasons without counting a single year on his ELC. The nine games still applies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 What exactly would be the benefit or purposes of having him sign his ELC if the Sabres are not going to send him to Rochester (or give him a roster spot)? He could go to Sweden or OHL without an ELC, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 He can come to camp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 He can come to camp And presumably play a few games early in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 He can play a full season in the AHL for two straight seasons without counting a single year on his ELC. The nine games still applies. thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 The main thing is that now the Sabres can allow him to play nine NHL games (or more) if they so choose, and if they aren't keeping him on the team, can send him to either Juniors, Rochester, or Sweden at any point they so choose. If they do so before his tenth game, the ELC slides, as Hoss said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 The main thing is that now the Sabres can allow him to play nine NHL games (or more) if they so choose, and if they aren't keeping him on the team, can send him to either Juniors, Rochester, or Sweden at any point they so choose. If they do so before his tenth game, the ELC slides, as Hoss said. Waitaminute. If he goes to Rochester he's still on his ELC, innit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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