Derrico Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 That's fine, if it becomes a 2nd, this goes down exactly what we expected. I feel bad for Johnson, but oh well. Johnson is one of the UFA's I would like to sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Better than having nothing in 4 years, if Jamie walks. Unless you think he was going to re-sign but now won't because we traded him? Actually, I'm pretty sick and tired of watching the GM throwing in the towel every single year. Fans bitch that we don't have enough gritty, crash the net, 2nd/3rd line forwards who put in an effort every single night.......... so it makes sense to trade one away when we get one instead of keeping him and try to work on a new contract. I thought it would be a good idea to try to finish off the season looking strong so that the players have something to look forward to in the offseason. With O'Reilly out. that's unlikely to happen when you get rid of somebody who was playing a moderate role in the scoring department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Murray to speak in about ten minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Actually, I'm pretty sick and tired of watching the GM throwing in the towel every single year. Fans bitch that we don't have enough gritty, crash the net, 2nd/3rd line forwards who put in an effort every single night.......... so it makes sense to trade one away when we get one instead of keeping him and try to work on a new contract. I thought it would be a good idea to try to finish off the season looking strong so that the players have something to look forward to in the offseason. With O'Reilly out. that's unlikely to happen when you get rid of somebody who was playing a moderate role in the scoring department. He didn't throw in the towel man, we were KO'd in the second round. Jaime McGinn is a nice player. A nice player of which there are about 100 of in the NHL at any given time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Actually, I'm pretty sick and tired of watching the GM throwing in the towel every single year. Fans bitch that we don't have enough gritty, crash the net, 2nd/3rd line forwards who put in an effort every single night.......... so it makes sense to trade one away when we get one instead of keeping him and try to work on a new contract. I thought it would be a good idea to try to finish off the season looking strong so that the players have something to look forward to in the offseason. With O'Reilly out. that's unlikely to happen when you get rid of somebody who was playing a moderate role in the scoring department. Well, you're not going to find agreement here that that is what McGinn is, I guess. I was definitely on TrueBlue's side of the McGinn debate. And I really don't think the trade affects the chances of him signing here again. Either he was going to explore options in FA or he wasn't, right? Sorry you're bummed, though. I definitely can't wait to be buyers at a deadline again as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) So if the Ducks don't make the Conference finals is that 4 3rd round picks we own this draft?? Edit, maybe just 3? Edited February 29, 2016 by Derrico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 He didn't throw in the towel man, we were KO'd in the second round. Jaime McGinn is a nice player. A nice player of which there are about 100 of in the NHL at any given time. He's traded something that works, for something that might not work. Traded a definite for an unknown. A 3rd round pick isn't an asset because it's not going to be the deciding factor in some blockbuster deal he plans to make in the offseason. This team is borderline painful to watch, now it's worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Murray says wasn't close to re-signing McGinn Would be interested having him back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Murray says wasn't close to re-signing McGinn Would be interested having him back He's traded something that works, for something that might not work. Traded a definite for an unknown. A 3rd round pick isn't an asset because it's not going to be the deciding factor in some blockbuster deal he plans to make in the offseason. This team is borderline painful to watch, now it's worse. JJ, what are your limits on the contract you would have offered McGinn, and do you think Murray stopped way short of that, and that McGinn would have accepted your offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Oh, Eleven. GM TM just said "hockey trade" like 8 times in 3 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Murray says wasn't close to re-signing McGinn Would be interested having him back That's enough for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 He's traded something that works, for something that might not work. Traded a definite for an unknown. A 3rd round pick isn't an asset because it's not going to be the deciding factor in some blockbuster deal he plans to make in the offseason. This team is borderline painful to watch, now it's worse. Keeping McGinn was an unknown. You have no idea whether he's re-signing or not. But he could still end up a Sabre next year AND we have another pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 He's traded something that works, for something that might not work. Traded a definite for an unknown. A 3rd round pick isn't an asset because it's not going to be the deciding factor in some blockbuster deal he plans to make in the offseason. This team is borderline painful to watch, now it's worse. How the hell do you know that? They have five or six 3rds over the next two drafts depending on what happens with McGinn's conditions; those could CERTAINLY go for a player like Drouin or Yakupov or be paired with a player for a Taylor Hall. Picks are pure assets, especially in this league where player for player trades are happening less and noone wants to give up firsts. If I'm actually a good team two years from now McGinn isn't in my top-six, and I could give a what happens in the last two months of this season outside of an injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Is Lee stempniak really better than McGinn? Also, price makes me think we won't need 4/4 million to re-sign him Absolutely. And he's a lot cheaper to boot--contract is less than 1/3 of McGinn's. Career PPG and relative CF: Stempniak: .53 and .6 McGinn: .36 and -4 Murray says wasn't close to re-signing McGinn Would be interested having him back Murray gets it, I think. I'd be surprised if McGinn were in a Sabres uniform come fall unless his asking price drops through the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 He's traded something that works, for something that might not work. Traded a definite for an unknown. A 3rd round pick isn't an asset because it's not going to be the deciding factor in some blockbuster deal he plans to make in the offseason. This team is borderline painful to watch, now it's worse. I disagree in your assessment of a 3rd round pick not being an asset. 3Rd round picks are the new 2nd rounders if you look at the last couple deadlines. No one really trades 1st rounders the way they use to. Also you assume we would have signed Mcginn instead of letting him walk for nothing. I don't murray was ever going to give him the years and dollars he will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Oh, Eleven. GM TM just said "hockey trade" like 8 times in 3 minutes. A hockey trade is kind of like a football move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 JJ, what are your limits on the contract you would have offered McGinn, and do you think Murray stopped way short of that, and that McGinn would have accepted your offer? I don't know what I would have offered him. But I do know that he can't make any offers now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I don't know what I would have offered him. But I do know that he can't make any offers now. I just got a vibe that it wasn't okay that he got something for an expiring contract. Since it appears that he did have talks regarding an extension but couldn't get close, and that it isn't wise to overpay somebody, is it just that you don't trust Murray's judgment of what is an appropriate contract for McGinn? Because that's the only reason I can find to spin getting anything for him after attempting to negotiate into a bad outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Keeping McGinn was an unknown. You have no idea whether he's re-signing or not. But he could still end up a Sabre next year AND we have another pick. I'm sick of watching a depleted lineup to finish off another season. And now with the 2nd and 5th leading scorers on the team gone, it's going to be another miserable end to the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I'm content with the move. You've gotta bet that Murray will make his noise around the draft and in FA this year. I had little expectations coming into today and they were met. Go Sabres! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I just got a vibe that it wasn't okay that he got something for an expiring contract. Since it appears that he did have talks regarding an extension but couldn't get close, and that it isn't wise to overpay somebody, is it just that you don't trust Murray's judgment of what is an appropriate contract for McGinn? Because that's the only reason I can find to spin getting anything for him after attempting to negotiate into a bad outcome. I doubt talks were serious at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I'm sick of watching a depleted lineup to finish off another season. And now with the 2nd and 5th leading scorers on the team gone, it's going to be another miserable end to the season. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) I'm sick of watching a depleted lineup to finish off another season. And now with the 2nd and 5th leading scorers on the team gone, it's going to be another miserable end to the season. It would have been miserable either way. A few garbage goals from McGinn and power play assists from ROR won't save this season. Edited February 29, 2016 by mustacheofgod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I'm sick of watching a depleted lineup to finish off another season. And now with the 2nd and 5th leading scorers on the team gone, it's going to be another miserable end to the season.I'm with you here, the only difference is that I don't think McGinn would change this, he certainly hasn't made the games since ROR got hurt any more bearable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustache of God Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I'm just happy I have some vested interest in the playoffs this year. Let's go Caps & Ducks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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