dudacek Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Context means something. Hearing the sound bite, it was Dan dumping on Sam. Watching the entire clip, it was Dan saying the team needs more offence and Sam is one of those guys who needs to supply it. Entirely fair. And now we have a puck distributor between two fast wingers as our second line. As Flaggmsays, given the roster could be a lot worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) His even strength play does not require top line minutes. It's been bad, though much better than last year. Two power play goals (one a sick play from Reinhart that any of us would pot) don't change that. He's generating shots on goal, second on the team with 11, double his shots/game from last season. I would expect that to tick up even more on the top line. He's earned this.... and he has a history of playing well with Okposo, won't hurt to give it a look for a few games. Edited October 24, 2016 by pi2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Or look at it this way.... Matt Moulson forced DD's hand. He's playing like the 30g scorer of years past, he needs top line minutes. You're really going to keep going with this, aren't you? At first I thought you were joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 $5 mil Matt Moulson, no BS first liner. $5 mil Ristolainen, not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 At least Samson is finally in the spot I want him to be when jack went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Even if Sam looks bad at center the next couple weeks, this is where he needs to learn to play. The minutes are important for him to get even if it might not look pretty at first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 $5 mil Matt Moulson, no BS first liner. $5 mil Ristolainen, not so much. I wouldn't say Moulson is a no BS first liner... he needs to continue to generate shots and with a decent shooting % he'll produce. He has a knack for scoring goals around the net, his problem last year wasn't that he couldn't score, it was that he wasn't even getting any scoring chances... his shots/gm was way down, he didn't deserve to play with the big boys. Now that's he getting shoots again, he deserves a look with the top unit. I think we can all agree Risto has been a disappointment thus far, I won't go into details, his game speaks for itself. Hopefully he starts showing signs of life here, or we're in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Ullmark called up from Rochester. I assume we'll find out why shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Ullmark called up from Rochester. I assume we'll find out why shortly. Lehner straight up for Fowler e4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 And there it is. Lehner stricken with the Lurgy. Great. http://www.wgr550.com/pages/22915752.php?contentType=4&contentId=18979300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 We've seen him play lately. We all know he'll rebound from this ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just an illness for Lehner, not a serious injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 I have no problem with DDB's assessment of Reinhart's game. Take, for example, the OT play against CGY. I said it some other post... but the idea was that I would have like to see Reinhart move his feet instead of stand flat footed facing the wall looking for a pass. It's basic hockey, get puck, settle puck, head up, move feet. He could probably get away with that play in juniors, but it was a bad play in the NHL. That said, he's a much better skater than he has been, he just needs to use it more.. keep his speed up during a shift, less stopping and slowing down... more explosiveness. Truth be told, you could say that about a lot of players on this team, but Reinhart is a guy they're need to lean on while Eichel is out, so fair or not, the magnifying glass is on him. This assessment makes a lot of sense to me -- it also helps me place Hot Daniel's quote in a better light. I'm assuming you're referring to LW? Yes. Reinhart has played RW with Eichel, yes? No? Has he been playing LW with O'Reilly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 This assessment makes a lot of sense to me -- it also helps me place Hot Daniel's quote in a better light. Reinhart has played RW with Eichel, yes? No? Has he been playing LW with O'Reilly? Yup. Okposo gets RW with ROR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Yup. Okposo gets RW with ROR no spit?! sh1t damn. get the kid off LW, Hot Daniel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 We've seen him play lately. We all know he'll rebound from this ;)*thunderous applause* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 You're really going to keep going with this, aren't you? At first I thought you were joking. Yes, Ristolainen is hot garbage. Moulson is a 30pt winger we need to protect in the expansion. Pi logic Reinhart hasn't been good... on his off wing... on a team with 6 lws. Yes he needs to play better and yes Bylsma is an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 You're really going to keep going with this, aren't you? At first I thought you were joking. Here me now, believe me later. Just an illness for Lehner, not a serious injury. High ankle flu Yes, Ristolainen is hot garbage. Moulson is a 30pt winger we need to protect in the expansion. Pi logic Reinhart hasn't been good... on his off wing... on a team with 6 lws. Yes he needs to play better and yes Bylsma is an idiot. Risto is struggling, already a -2 after 4 games, but but but but +/- doesn't mean anything... right? So I guess the only logical conclusions is that he's having a great season and worth every penny. Moulson on pace for 41 goals, get promoted by the head coach to the top line. Great minds think alike I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 What's Moulson's +/-? Risto is on pace for more points than any defenseman has scored in decades. Projections from four games in will do that :P But nice points Pi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 What's Moulson's +/-? Risto is on pace for more points than any defenseman has scored in decades. Projections from four games in will do that :P But nice points Pi. Matt Goalson is a -1, I blame Risto for that ;) Actually I don't weight +/- as heavily for forwards as I do for defenseman... especially young defenseman who are a career -80 something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Matt Goalson is a -1, I blame Risto for that ;) Actually I don't weight +/- as heavily for forwards as I do for defenseman... especially young defenseman who are a career -80 something. A difference of one single value of plus minus through four games is enough to eschew your wacky projection argument that puts Risto as heading for the greatest season from an offensive defenseman since Orr or Coffey? Huh. I have to conclude that you're trolling. Those cant be real arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Here me now, believe me later. High ankle flu Risto is struggling, already a -2 after 4 games, but but but but +/- doesn't mean anything... right? So I guess the only logical conclusions is that he's having a great season and worth every penny. Moulson on pace for 41 goals, get promoted by the head coach to the top line. Great minds think alike I suppose. Risto is on pace for 102 points this season. So by your bs logic he's the greatest defender in 20 years. See if can extrapolate tooooooooooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Also, Pi, you say that you lean on Risto more for his plus minus because he's a defenseman. Why? First of all, forwards scoring at even strength has just as large of an impact on that stat as defensemen defending at even strength do. Second of all, it isn't a fair comparison because Moulson plays cushy minutes against the Jooris line in Calgary or the Vey line in Vancouver, while Risto gets hard minutes against the Sedins and Gaudreau, which I've already shown you in past arguments. Again, you have to be trolling with this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 A difference of one single value of plus minus through four games is enough to eschew your wacky projection argument that puts Risto as heading for the greatest season from an offensive defenseman since Orr or Coffey? Huh. I have to conclude that you're trolling. Those cant be real arguments. Risto has never had an Orr/Coffey like season, nor do we expect him to. However, he's in his 4rd NHL season, I do expect to see him improve his +/-. It's one thing if he's on a terrible defensive team with a huge minus team goal differential... but he's not. BUF as a team was -21 in goal differential... the fact that, relative to the team goal differential, Risto was a -21 tells me he needs to improve defensively. There are several plays this season where his mistake lead directly to goals, and not against guys like Crosby or McDavid... guys like Gallagher and Tkachuk... I expect our #1 d-man to shut those plays down or at least don't make the turnover which leads to those goals. Matt Moulson has had three 30g seasons so it's not out of the question that he can repeat that performance on a top line with the way he's playing. Risto is on pace for 102 points this season. So by your bs logic he's the greatest defender in 20 years. See if can extrapolate tooooooooooooo That's fantastic! I hope he keeps up the offensive production while cleaning up his defensive miscues. Also, Pi, you say that you lean on Risto more for his plus minus because he's a defenseman. Why? First of all, forwards scoring at even strength has just as large of an impact on that stat as defensemen defending at even strength do. Second of all, it isn't a fair comparison because Moulson plays cushy minutes against the Jooris line in Calgary or the Vey line in Vancouver, while Risto gets hard minutes against the Sedins and Gaudreau, which I've already shown you in past arguments. Again, you have to be trolling with this stuff. Defensemen defend. They're down low in the zone and they lead the break out. Generally speaking (system agnostic) any breakdown down low, or turnovers on the break out, lead directly to scoring chances the other way. Over the course of an 82 game season if your best defenseman is severely in the red +/-, that's doesn't speak well for his ability to defend. That said, if Risto was -10 or less, then yeah, that's likely just a product of his competition and who else he's on the ice with, not enough of difference (from zero) to make any generalizations about his ability to defend. But when he's the minus 20's and 30's two years in a row, that means something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) Wish Moulson would clean up his 5v5 play. So if Risto was a - 41 but had 102pts you would be upset at his defensive play? Yea know, I have better ways to spend my time, NM have at it. Edited October 24, 2016 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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