darksabre Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Sooo, that doesn't really tell us anything, then, and something is bad,... unless it's good. #fancystatsrock It's not really a commentary on the scoring problem, but more just a look at the goalie mindset of what makes the game easier for them. I guess if we want to increase scoring, we ought to make things less comfortable for goalies. I don't know where I'm going with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 It's not really a commentary on the scoring problem, but more just a look at the goalie mindset of what makes the game easier for them. I guess if we want to increase scoring, we ought to make things less comfortable for goalies. I don't know where I'm going with that. Interesting. So you are saying that higher corsi numbers keep goalies sharper leading to more saves and lower scoring games?! Mind. Blown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Interesting. So you are saying that higher corsi numbers keep goalies sharper leading to more saves and lower scoring games?! Mind. Blown. I might be saying that. Or I might at least be thinking it. I haven't developed this one :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 To be honest small tweaks are all I want. The primary reason I hate NBA basketball is because it's just continuous scoring with little D. I like hockey games that are 3-2 4-3 not 10-9 because it makes goals deflated in its value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 5 shutouts by home teams in one night. Never been done in NHL history. And we pick on soccer fans for the low scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 5 shutouts by home teams in one night. Never been done in NHL history. And we pick on soccer fans for the low scoring. 18 goals were scored across those five games though. They weren't exactly low scoring shutouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 18 goals were scored across those five games though. They weren't exactly low scoring shutouts. So 3.6 goals a game is now a high scoring affair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 So 3.6 goals a game is now a high scoring affair? Sounds pretty normal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Sounds pretty normal to me. I would say that it is normal for a team's average per game. To me these games where tight defensive affairs that where 1-0 till late in the third and a team had to press in order to try and get a tying goal to send it to overtime. The press led to a few 2 on 1's the other way, an empty net goal and you get a 3.6 goals per game for a team. Not fun hockey. Also the average goals per game I think should be around 5 for both teams to be fun hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 I would say that it is normal for a team's average per game. To me these games where tight defensive affairs that where 1-0 till late in the third and a team had to press in order to try and get a tying goal to send it to overtime. The press led to a few 2 on 1's the other way, an empty net goal and you get a 3.6 goals per game for a team. Not fun hockey. Also the average goals per game I think should be around 5 for both teams to be fun hockey. Yes and yes. I used to love me a shutout but they're so common now that the value is lost (just like the too many goals argument). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Sounds pretty normal to me. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'd much rather watch more 5-4 games than 2-1 games. I can't be the only one. Unfortunately even teams with a ton of forward talent like Dallas are winning more of the 2-1 variety than the 5-4. :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'd much rather watch more 5-4 games than 2-1 games. I can't be the only one. Unfortunately even teams with a ton of forward talent like Dallas are winning more of the 2-1 variety than the 5-4. :angry: When I looked through the schedule just before the start of the season I would've put a $100.00 bet on the over of a Sabres / Stars game of 5 Goals. Just thought it would have been a fun and fast game of offensive stars ruining goalies save percentages. Saturdays game was the white bread of the bakery world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 I'd much rather watch more 5-4 games than 2-1 games. I can't be the only one. Unfortunately even teams with a ton of forward talent like Dallas are winning more of the 2-1 variety than the 5-4. :angry: You're not the only one. I hate defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 When I looked through the schedule just before the start of the season I would've put a $100.00 bet on the over of a Sabres / Stars game of 5 Goals. Just thought it would have been a fun and fast game of offensive stars ruining goalies save percentages. Saturdays game was the white bread of the bakery world. #lindyruffhockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 #lindyruffhockey Lindy to the best as I could see throughout the game wasn't playing a 1-2-2 defensive game. Send 1 forechecker in to the O zone, use the other 2 forwards at the red line to make are the first pass out of the zone is along the boards and bottling up the neutral zone. That is what the Sabres where doing. Something a coach would do to try and even out the skill differential and keep the game low scoring and hope for a lucky bounce. #TedsNolanHockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 26 regulation goals scored last night by a total of 14 teams...under 2 per team for the night. According to the latest stats, we are down to 2.65 goals per game for the year so far. That is the lowest in almost 15 years. It is also the greatest drop from one season to the next since 06-07 to 07-08 (not only is scoring bad, but it is getting worse at an increasing rate). The thing is....shots per game haven't changed all that much over the years....very close to 30 per game per team...it is goalies save percentages that are much higher. Is that a function of the goalies being too good or too much equipment (bigger nets needed)? or is it more a function of the quality of shots being a lot worse (coaching and D-zone play?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 26 regulation goals scored last night by a total of 14 teams...under 2 per team for the night. According to the latest stats, we are down to 2.65 goals per game for the year so far. That is the lowest in almost 15 years. It is also the greatest drop from one season to the next since 06-07 to 07-08 (not only is scoring bad, but it is getting worse at an increasing rate). The thing is....shots per game haven't changed all that much over the years....very close to 30 per game per team...it is goalies save percentages that are much higher. Is that a function of the goalies being too good or too much equipment (bigger nets needed)? or is it more a function of the quality of shots being a lot worse (coaching and D-zone play?) Yes to all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Rise of analytics, decline in scoring. Coincidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Rise of analytics, decline in scoring. Coincidence? Absolutely the result of analytics, in a way. Coaches use analytics as a tool to help teach players. GM's determine player value on analytics. The league has put a greater value on two way players and has a way to value a player other shots/assists/goals. The net result is a league of skilled 2 way players that are in shot lanes and blocking pucks with over-sized goalies. How on earth could shots per game and goals remain constant? Edited November 25, 2015 by Woods-Racer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Rise of analytics, decline in scoring. Coincidence? I suspect the decline in scoring (see Dead Puck Era) predates the rise of analytics. I might even posit that analytics is a result of the decline in scoring. With games so tight everyone is looking for the slightest edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Maybe with coaching getting more and more involved (more coaches per team than a couple decades ago, great use of analytics helps coaching).....well, scoring is down because of 'better' or 'more complete' coaching. I have heard something a few times on the radio (once or twice on WGR and a few times on 590 out of Toronto)....you can't teach offensive talent, but you CAN teach/coach defense. Edited November 25, 2015 by mjd1001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I'd much rather watch more 5-4 games than 2-1 games. I can't be the only one. Unfortunately even teams with a ton of forward talent like Dallas are winning more of the 2-1 variety than the 5-4. :angry: You're not the only one. I hate defense. Include me in on that........ It's been painful to watch many of these games this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/14207776/nhl-brief-history-nhl-pretending-fix-scoring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/14207776/nhl-brief-history-nhl-pretending-fix-scoringPerfect article for this discussion, provided a lot of history and insight. So the solution is really simple it turns out, and everyone here will love it. It is literally to get rid of Bettman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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