NHL Scoring Problem

[Weave]

OK, settled.  Make the nets bigger then.  I'm in.

[darksabre]

Well, I'm pretty sure if they switched to less bulky gear, it would be just as protective as it is now. They're not going to be wearing what you're wearing, they'd be wearing top of the line gear designed to protect against NHL caliber shots. Just removing all of the puck blocking (non-protective) bulk is what people are talking about.

This is just an outrageous claim. Have you seen pro level gear? There's no way to maintain protection. De-bulking will inherently reduce it. Take the pro version of what I wear. http://www.goaliemonkey.com/warrior-chest-protector-ritual-g2-pro.html?gclid=CLTIxN_-k8sCFQUIaQodWv0PRQ

 

These guys aren't wearing giant plastic elbow protectors for fun. This stuff is bulky because it is serving a purpose.

[skaught]

This is just an outrageous claim. Have you seen pro level gear? There's no way to maintain protection. De-bulking will inherently reduce it. Take the pro version of what I wear. http://www.goaliemonkey.com/warrior-chest-protector-ritual-g2-pro.html?gclid=CLTIxN_-k8sCFQUIaQodWv0PRQ

 

These guys aren't wearing giant plastic elbow protectors for fun. This stuff is bulky because it is serving a purpose.

 

Hmmm, well those shoulders don't look nearly as bad as the ones in that video on the twitter that was posted earlier. The elbows are pretty massive, they're a lot more square compared to the non-Pro version.

 

Whatever, make the goals bigger.

[SwampD]

This is just an outrageous claim. Have you seen pro level gear? There's no way to maintain protection. De-bulking will inherently reduce it. Take the pro version of what I wear. http://www.goaliemonkey.com/warrior-chest-protector-ritual-g2-pro.html?gclid=CLTIxN_-k8sCFQUIaQodWv0PRQ

 

These guys aren't wearing giant plastic elbow protectors for fun. This stuff is bulky because it is serving a purpose.

I would be happy just changing the pads and the glove. A case can be made leaving everything else alone (maybe not the blocker or shoulders), but the pads and the glove in some cases now is downright comical.

[Weave]

I would be happy just changing the pads and the glove. A case can be made leaving everything else alone (maybe not the blocker or shoulders), but the pads and the glove in some cases now is downright comical.

 

return the leg risers down to mid 80's height and reduce the shoulders somewhat, even if just a little, and make the sweater more form fitting.  Opens things up along the ice and gives a little more target up top. 

 

I think changing the leg pads to prevent butterfly from blocking the entire ice from post to post would help the most.

Edited February 26, 2016 by We've

[Drunkard]

Glad you guys are finally coming around to the make the nets bigger argument. It's the simplest way to accomplish it with no pissing and moaning about player safety. They should be wider and slightly taller so the entire bottom of the net can't be covered when they drop to their knees. That should help until the league starts recruiting basketball centers to replace their 6'4" Viking goalies with 7 foot tall black guys (and once that happens we can widen the nets again).

[Weave]

Glad you guys are finally coming around to the make the nets bigger argument. It's the simplest way to accomplish it with no pissing and moaning about player safety. They should be wider and slightly taller so the entire bottom of the net can't be covered when they drop to their knees. That should help until the league starts recruiting basketball centers to replace their 6'4" Viking goalies with 7 foot tall black guys (and once that happens we can widen the nets again).

 

I don't think anyone new is on the bigger nets kick.  LOL

[Eleven]

I don't think anyone new is on the bigger nets kick.  LOL

 

I know I'm not.  And nothing I've read in the last two days has convinced me that shrinking the goalie equipment is not a viable option.

[woods-racer]

Can't we piss everyone off and do a little of both?

 

Little bigger nets, little smaller goalie pads?

 

Let's face it, it's the NHL. Pissing everyone off is their main goal. They'd come thru in flying colors with this approach.

[LGR4GM]

We need smaller goalie pads, interference needs to be enforced, I think the rinks should be opened up to 90ft wide for the ones that can (variability will make it a little tougher on coaches which is good).

[thewookie1]

Shave an inch off the insides of the goal and shrink some of the padding and glove side along with make goalies not wear puffy jerseys. That should fix it at least a bit.

[pi2000]

We need smaller goalie pads, interference needs to be enforced, I think the rinks should be opened up to 90ft wide for the ones that can (variability will make it a little tougher on coaches which is good).

 

yes, yes and yes. 

[mjd1001]

Well, it looks like the NHL is going to give a small amount of lip service to this, but nothing more.

Edited February 26, 2016 by mjd1001

[inkman]

Well, it looks like the NHL is going to give a small amount of lip service to this, but nothing more.

Ah their standard operating procedure

[dudacek]

Only person I've read arguing against the Hirsch manifesto has a vested interest.

Changes in goalie equipment have given goalies a competitive advantage.

Take it back.

[TrueBlueGED]

Only person I've read arguing against the Hirsch manifesto has a vested interest.

Changes in goalie equipment have given goalies a competitive advantage.

Take it back.

So has goalies becoming larger human beings. Can't legislate that with equipment size. Nets are the answer.

[Eleven]

Lehner is all about reducing the equipment:  http://www.wgr550.com/Robin-Lehner-endorses-smaller-goalie-pads/22564331

[darksabre]

Lehner is all about reducing the equipment: http://www.wgr550.com/Robin-Lehner-endorses-smaller-goalie-pads/22564331

He better be careful what he wishes for. He's not a reflexive goalie.

[BetweenThePipes00]

He better be careful what he wishes for. He's not a reflexive goalie.

Sounded to me like he just wants the current rules actually enforced ... your point remains but kind of suggests he is not trying to cheat as much as others.

[TrueBlueGED]

He better be careful what he wishes for. He's not a reflexive goalie.

 

Robin Lehner disagrees with your assessment. Look at your avatar, you gonna tell him he's wrong? I mean I think I agree with you, but I'm not about to tell him that :lol:

[pi2000]

Well, it looks like the NHL is going to give a small amount of lip service to this, but nothing more.

 

Smaller pads are coming, the league has prototypes ready (chest protector, pants) and are looking to test it out during the World Cup of Hockey in September, quite possibly enforcing it as early as next season.

 

So has goalies becoming larger human beings. Can't legislate that with equipment size. Nets are the answer.

 

Equipment has grown larger, chest protector and pants are ridiculous these days.   Streamlined gear will open up more holes.

Edited March 14, 2016 by pi2000

[TrueBlueGED]

 

Equipment has grown larger, chest protector and pants are ridiculous these days.   Streamlined gear will open up more holes.

 

Of course, but it's not some kind of magic bullet. You can put 1970s-sized equipment on the goalies, but they're still going to cover more of the net than the 1970s goalies because they're 3 inches taller.

[Eleven]

Of course, but it's not some kind of magic bullet. You can put 1970s-sized equipment on the goalies, but they're still going to cover more of the net than the 1970s goalies because they're 3 inches taller.

 

That's ok; the skaters have advantages now that they didn't have then.

[pi2000]

Of course, but it's not some kind of magic bullet. You can put 1970s-sized equipment on the goalies, but they're still going to cover more of the net than the 1970s goalies because they're 3 inches taller.

 

Sure the goalies are taller, but smaller gear means there will be more net to shoot at than there is currently.    

 

If that gets us to more 6-7 goal games than 3-4 goal games,  it's a success.   

 

However, my primary concern is that changing goalie equipment size won't change how the game is played.   Sure there will be more goals per game, but does that mean the game gets more exciting to watch?   You're still going to have the same "get the puck back to the point, shoot it through a crowd and hope it finds the net" type of strategy.    To open up the flow of the game we need 90ft wide rinks (5ft wider), and maybe enforce illegal defenses (like basketball).

Edited March 14, 2016 by pi2000

[TrueBlueGED]

Sure the goalies are taller, but smaller gear means there will be more net to shoot at than there is currently.    

 

If that gets us to more 6-7 goal games than 3-4 goal games,  it's a success.   

 

I don't think shrinking the equipment by the amount they're likely to will have any meaningful effect on scoring, certainly not nearly doubling it. It's kind of why I'm getting tired of the entire goalie equipment debate--the amount of change we're talking about is like going on a diet by cutting back on salad dressing while keeping the 16oz steak every other night on the menu.