That Aud Smell Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) We're pretty much at the point where anyone who goes outside of the top 5 or so picks already falls into that Manuel-like crap shoot status. which is why -- as terry pegula apparently read somewhere (*ahem--PA*) -- you should draft one every year until you get one that works out. https://twitter.com/matthewwgr/status/530761808844713987 Edited August 5, 2015 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 And not too many teams seem to be moving out of those QB slots lately. We're pretty much at the point where anyone who goes outside of the top 5 or so picks already falls into that Manuel-like crap shoot status. And so how much do you give up to move from ~20th to the top five to get that little better chance than a Manuel-esk prospect of making it to a starting QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 And so how much do you give up to move from ~20th to the top five to get that little better chance than a Manuel-esk prospect of making it to a starting QB? good feckin' question. a lot. and you'd better get it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 good feckin' question. a lot. and you'd better get it right. It's the better get it right that GM's worry about. Get it right they have a job for 10-15 years. Get it wrong and they are a college scout for the rest of their life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 I think he's wrong if he think that. This is a very good QB draft. This can never be confidently asserted before the season starts. Time and time again sure-fire top-10 QBs have a down year and get drafted in the middle rounds. One recent example is Matt Barkley. Dude went from being a lock to go top-3 to drafted in the 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dominator Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 This can never be confidently asserted before the season starts. Time and time again sure-fire top-10 QBs have a down year and get drafted in the middle rounds. One recent example is Matt Barkley. Dude went from being a lock to go top-3 to drafted in the 4th. Yep, way too early to predict the ability of the QB prospects coming out, especially when we don't even know which underclassmen will declare early. With that said, there are probably 4-5 guys to keep an eye on. Hopefully a few of them show solid progress so there are multiple guys with 1st-2nd round grades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 And so how much do you give up to move from ~20th to the top five to get that little better chance than a Manuel-esk prospect of making it to a starting QB? You missed the first sentence in my post though. Those teams in those slots seem to be picking those QBs themselves lately, other than RG3. Let's face it, these bottom teams are there for a reason and usually a big part of that is their lack of a QB. So basically, what I'm saying is that any QB that you may actually be able to move up to get is a crap shoot guy. How much are you willing to give up in order to get yourself a coin toss (or even worse chances than that)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 All this QB talk is boring. I think we'll get just as good QB play out of Taylor or Manuel as we got from Orton last year. They might even make some plays with their legs that we didn't get last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 This can never be confidently asserted before the season starts. Time and time again sure-fire top-10 QBs have a down year and get drafted in the middle rounds. One recent example is Matt Barkley. Dude went from being a lock to go top-3 to drafted in the 4th. I don't see how you can say something can't be confidently asserted when someone has just done exactly that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 All this QB talk is boring. I think we'll get just as good QB play out of Taylor or Manuel as we got from Orton last year. They might even make some plays with their legs that we didn't get last year. And that still left us on the outside looking in. We're probably going to need more than that from the position if we want to get anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 And that still left us on the outside looking in. We're probably going to need more than that from the position if we want to get anywhere. If others could have held on to the ball late in a couple of those games we would have been in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 I don't see how you can say something can't be confidently asserted when someone has just done exactly that. And I am confident that it will hold true through the year. There's a ton of guys in the mix for first/second round grades already. Some will falter and some will shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 If others could have held on to the ball late in a couple of those games we would have been in. And if a kicker could hit at least one FG, we're right back out. It's going to take more than just a couple bounces going our way for this team to become a contender. They've certainly assembled the talent at almost every other position, but they're going to need solid QB play to take it to the next level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 If others could have held on to the ball late in a couple of those games we would have been in. yeah but that stuff tends to even out, Detroit with a melt down from their kicker and the Minnesota game come to mind as two we had no business winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 On the cost of trading up/reluctance of teams moving down: that's why I said into the teens. Those picks are moved somewhat often (and we might be sitting there anyways). There will likely be two or three guys that work their way into the top 5/10. If you can't get those guys then find the name in the next group that will hopefully solidify themselves into the mid-to-late 1st and get him. Names to watch: Cardale Jones and JT Barrett (OSU), Connor Cook (MSU), Christian Hackenberg (PSU), Jared Goff (Cal), Gunner Kiel (Cincy), Cody Kessler (USC). "Meh" names that are popular: Dak Prescott (Miss St.), Trevone Boykin (TCU) and Kevin Hogan (Stanford). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Texans couldn't agree to terms with St.Pierre-Thomas; do the Bills offer to ship a RB to Texas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 If others could have held on to the ball late in a couple of those games we would have been in. Don't forget those dastardly refs! All those playoff games the Bills would've won if it weren't for that sinister conspiracy that for some reason finds no support in the stats... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) Texans couldn't agree to terms with St.Pierre-Thomas; do the Bills offer to ship a RB to Texas? Can't have enough 7th round picks!! Edited August 5, 2015 by inkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 5, 2015 Report Share Posted August 5, 2015 Can't have enough 7th round picks!! Eventually we have to draft a Rogers/Brady right? RIGHT?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Don't forget those dastardly refs! All those playoff games the Bills would've won if it weren't for that sinister conspiracy that for some reason finds no support in the stats... You can be cute if you want to, but you'll see that as we get better, the calls will will start going our way. I'll be the first to point out when we've been given the gift of the "benefit of the doubt." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 You missed the first sentence in my post though. Those teams in those slots seem to be picking those QBs themselves lately, other than RG3. Let's face it, these bottom teams are there for a reason and usually a big part of that is their lack of a QB. So basically, what I'm saying is that any QB that you may actually be able to move up to get is a crap shoot guy. How much are you willing to give up in order to get yourself a coin toss (or even worse chances than that)? No, I heard the sarcasm and was running with it. You are dead on. The NFL QB selection process is a lot like going to the carnival and doing the ring toss or filling the balloon with the water pistol, the only time it works is when you have a no lose ringer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 which is why -- as terry pegula apparently read somewhere (*ahem--PA*) -- you should draft one every year until you get one that works out. https://twitter.com/matthewwgr/status/530761808844713987 Running an NFL Franchise that Doesn't Suck by Whisky B. Emotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calti Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 He's hurt, not bad. And he's much better than what we have cant all 3 be true?--the hurt and the bad and the better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 cant all 3 be true?--the hurt and the bad and the better? I think you're thinking of "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly." :lol: Jokes aside you're right: it doesn't take much to be better than our qb's. Speaking of qb's, Brady thinks he has 7-8 years left in him... "Thanks popa," Brady writes to childhood friend Kevin Brady during an email exchange discussing a Grantland story that illustrated a decline for Manning in comparing the two quarterbacks. "I've got another 7 or 8 years. He has 2. That's the final chapter. Game on." http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/13383354/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-predicts-peyton-manning-end-stamp-rivalry If that's true you can bank on him being yet another HOF great who won't let go and ends up playing for a few different teams in his last years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 The wall comes at different times for different players, I get Bradys optimism/delusion but there's no freaking way he doesn't hit the wall until 45. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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