7+6=13 Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Well jon snow will be heading to dragon stone soon. pretty much a boring episode, nobody missed anything except the opening scene. Winter is coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Correct. Though she also learned from Littlefinger, who is the best in the business at it. I thought Jon made the right decision insofar as, rightly or wrongly, he's not playing the titular Game of Thrones--he made the decision in light of its impact on the war with the white walkers. I agree with both of these points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 I dunno, I feel like in a war for existence you should be thinking "What have they done for me lately?" Rather than worrying about ancient alliances. Winter is not the time for child lords (unless that child lord is Lyanna Mormont). Disagree. The absolute last thing Jon needs is to be dealing with infighting among the bannermen. It's an all hands on deck situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Disagree. The absolute last thing Jon needs is to be dealing with infighting among the bannermen. It's an all hands on deck situation. Agreed. It's men vs the dead, they need to come together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted July 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Disagree. The absolute last thing Jon needs is to be dealing with infighting among the bannermen. It's an all hands on deck situation.I'm not really sure how Sansa's way leads to more infighting among bannermen.Agreed. It's men vs the dead, they need to come together.I'm confused. Sansa's not saying they shouldn't come together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 I'm not really sure how Sansa's way leads to more infighting among bannermen. I'm confused. Sansa's not saying they shouldn't come together. Two families and those loyal to them say F off. Two families try to undermine Jon. Two families say F it and act as spies for the Lannisters. And so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted July 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Two families and those loyal to them say F off. Two families try to undermine Jon. Two families say F it and act as spies for the Lannisters. And so on.Yeah but the soldiers who joined their side just saved their bacon. Those people aren't going to just fight for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) Two families and those loyal to them say F off. Two families try to undermine Jon. Two families say F it and act as spies for the Lannisters. And so on. Yeah but the soldiers who joined their side just saved their bacon. Those people aren't going to just fight for free. Also these families don't really "exist" yet; they're people, but they haven't been made lords so they have no real backing. The new lords would either be: knights from one of the existing families promoted to full lords; or a cadet branch of another house (the Karstarks were Starks that were given their own land; the Lannisters of Lannisport would be another example). Since these houses don't exist yet, they don't have households, bannerman, castles, or even real money or knights of their own to cause any real trouble. They also don't seem to mention anyone in particular who could feel especially snubbed by NOT getting one of the houses. Also, while they haven't mentioned it, they do have the Dreadfort to give away if some one really deserved it. Edited July 18, 2017 by sabills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 I think the thing to remember about the North is that geography will play an important role. Euron Greyjoy is the only person who could surprise the North with an all out attack. Is Jamie took the Lannister army north it would be heavily marked and noticed. Sansa is right in warning John, Cersei will come for them and doesn't give a dam about the white walkers. Jon is about to fight a 2 front war unless he can get Daenerys to join his side. Sansa is right that Cersei is still a player but Jon was right to give those families their castles and lands, they now owe him something because he didn't take their stuff away. "You have to be smarter than father, and smarter than Rob" Sansa is very right about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Here's something about Greyjoy and his armada that's bugging me: there is NFW that he has enough men to staff a 1000-ship armada. That would be somewhere between 20K and 100K men. There just aren't that many Ironborn, and they couldn't have conscripted that many either. It does look like Euron is being set up to be this season's Ramsey though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) Here's something about Greyjoy and his armada that's bugging me: there is NFW that he has enough men to staff a 1000-ship armada. That would be somewhere between 20K and 100K men. There just aren't that many Ironborn, and they couldn't have conscripted that many either. It does look like Euron is being set up to be this season's Ramsey though. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Iron_Islands According to that the Iron Islands can rase ~20K men and 500 ships. Yara(Asha) and Theon took ~100. I don't remember; did Euron come back from his travels with fleet, or just the one ship? I think its just the ship. So yeah, thats a big stretch anyway you slice it. But I guess he could be boasting Edited July 18, 2017 by sabills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 I think the math is off as well. Unless Euron knows something we do not. I suppose the Lannisters could offer him some help but they have major problems. As much as Cersei hated the Tyrell's burning them to the ground was a big mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted July 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Yeah, that was terrible. They forced him into every shot but he didn't say more than 2 linesThey probably tried to give him lines and it didn't work out so good. It is pretty stupid that they wrote an entire scene just so Ed Sheeran could sing in the show. I'm a lot more down on the episode than I was earlier this week (big surprise there). This season is only 7 episodes long and they wasted the first one. NOTHING HAPPENS. Set-up is necessary, but it should also be entertaining. The show is too serious and up its own @ss to have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 BTW: for anyone so inclined, The Ringer has a GoT podcast called "Binge Mode" featuring 2 hardcore, passionate GoT fans that is pretty informative and entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 They probably tried to give him lines and it didn't work out so good. It is pretty stupid that they wrote an entire scene just so Ed Sheeran could sing in the show. I'm a lot more down on the episode than I was earlier this week (big surprise there). This season is only 7 episodes long and they wasted the first one. NOTHING HAPPENS. Set-up is necessary, but it should also be entertaining. The show is too serious and up its own @ss to have fun. For a show that takes itself so seriously, it was a serious WTF moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 personally I liked the episode. It helped build characters since what happened in episode 10 last year. Idc about ed sheteen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 The ending was pretty awesome though. Overall like others have said it was a setup episode. The Stark revenge of the red wedding in the beginning was pretty sweet though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) Well I said it before, will be interesting to see the look on the face of the mother of dragons, when one blasts fire at Jon and he walks out of it like nothing happened. A bit surprising they hailed Jon king of the north though, I think littlefinger will let out his true origin when the time is right. Also if you look at it from this perspective, A song of Ice and fire, Jon has Targaryen and Stark blood in him. Cersei on the throne with all that power, the look on her brothers face is one of fear, he realizes now she will do anything and that is not his style. The king slayer might become a queen slayer as well. yes she is :D Now we have to wait a whole ###### year again ffs. I don't think this is guaranteed to happen, though; Viserys was full-blooded Targaryen and he wasn't immune to being burned. (After Drogo kills him, Daenaerys says "He was no dragon... fire cannot kill a dragon.") I'm curious to see if Gendry pops back into the story at some point. He's half Baratheon, but given the Baratheon / Targaryen history, not sure Dany would even consider it. Plus he couldn't handle her, LOL. Edited July 23, 2017 by biodork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 I don't think this is guaranteed to happen, though; Viserys was full-blooded Targaryen and he wasn't immune to being burned. (After Drogo kills him, Daenaerys says "He was no dragon... fire cannot kill a dragon.") I'm curious to see if Gendry pops back into the story at some point. He's half Baratheon, but given the Baratheon / Targaryen history, not sure Dany would even consider it. Plus he couldn't handle her, LOL. Well he'll be at dragonstone for some dragonglass soon, so we'll find out what happens there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 For a show that takes itself so seriously, it was a serious WTF moment It was a simple gesture by the directors for the actor that plays Arya. They have been trying to get him to do a cameo for a few seasons because she is a huge fan. It's not a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted July 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 Tonight was kind of boring, another set up episode. Next week looks epic though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 It was a simple gesture by the directors for the actor that plays Arya. They have been trying to get him to do a cameo for a few seasons because she is a huge fan. It's not a big deal. It's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 That was a great scene to finish tonight's episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 24, 2017 Report Share Posted July 24, 2017 (edited) That was a great scene to finish tonight's episode. While everyone I talked to was expecting more of a storyline for dorn and the sandsnakes The queen of dragons might need the king of the north now. Don't get why people say nothing happened, first blow just happened and I loved it. Tonight was kind of boring, another set up episode. Next week looks epic though. I thought so to, but I got my hopes up for #4 Edited July 24, 2017 by Huckleberry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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