Sabres Trade JJ Peterka to Utah for Defenseman Michael Kesselring and Forward Josh Doan

[bob_sauve28]

12 minutes ago, SabresVet said:

Toughness is nice for a team that clearly lacks it, but they are constantly trying to add these types of players and neglecting talent.

Buffalo's off-seasons are like a game of whack-a-mole.  Fixing last year's issues without anticipating what they'll be faced with the following season.

That's why assuming Kulich or another younger player will score enough to off-set this move is he's still mostly an unknown.  And for a team that needs to make the playoffs or others will demand trades, that's not enough.  Almost every single time we believe they'll get production from a young player it doesn't work.    

I can see them better defensively and struggling to score without a real move this off-season.  And given who the GM and owner are, I'm not holding my breath.

Norris replaces JJP's offense, as do other up and coming players. He really was kind of expendable

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I don't get anyone calling Doan a prospect. He's an nhl player. 

He is already averaging about .5 points a game. That's alright 

[Weave]

Just now, bob_sauve28 said:

Norris replaces JJP's offense, as do other up and coming players. He really was kind of expendable

Technically, Norris replaces Cozens offense (yeah, I know).  As of now, someone like Benson or Quinn will need to replace JJs offense.

[Eleven]

I don't watch a lot of Utah games, so I don't know a lot about these guys, but a few of you have me cautiously optimistic.

[Gatorman0519]

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

After 54 years I’m done as well.   

This Sabres are now the Marlins of the NHL, but at least the Marlins won 2 WS.  

I’m lucky enough to have the Panthers down the 95 and at least get to enjoy watching a hometown dynasty. The Sabres being so egregiously bad for so long makes it easier. 

[...]

17 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

What's interesting is that McLeod for Savoie was laughed at by everyone... accept analytics Twitter. 

The Cozens trade was laughed at by everyone... accept analytics Twitter. 

This trade... same thing. 

That's only 1 for 3 right now. The Cozens/Norris swap is still TBD - because Norris has an injury history. Are there metrics on durability, btw? 

[Jorcus]

This trade would have made a lot more sense if it was Power or Byram going the other way. Now we have a big hole to fill on left wing. I just hope it is not a pipeline player coming up to try and fill it on the top line. The loser in all this might be any team that thought they could offer sheet Peterka. I loved Peterka. I know he is not a perfect player but his endurance on the ice was hard to match. After long shifts players would come back huffing and puffing and he often looked like he could go right back out. It was obvious he was not happy the second half of the season. No joy in his game and Paul Hamilton indicated he did not like Ruff.

I would assume Doan is going to help exit Quinn out the door and that will be the end of our brief kids line Cozens, Quinn, and Peterka. If the next move is for a solid playmaking left winger who is a real threat to score then I would think we are going to be a better team. Eventually one of the system kids will probably take that spot over. I just hope that it is not that right now.   

[French Collection]

Does Benson get more ice time without JJP around? He could be the top playmaker with some shooters like TNT, Norris, Tuch, Kulich and Quinn.

[shrader]

Just now, ... said:

That's only 1 for 3 right now. The Cozens/Norris swap is still TBD - because Norris has an injury history. Are there metrics on durability, btw? 

And this is where that new strength and conditioning guy comes in. Hopefully there’s something there. Norris will be his first true test. 

[7+6=13]

2 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

In Rochester. This sets a horrible precedence - seems all you need to do to get out Buffalo is demand a trade. How long until tage and Dahlin demand out? Btw, Utah has a state tax but I’m told they may have palm trees??

Adams is a joke. He better have a plans to sign a UFA top 6 forward with the money he just saved. He better also resign Byrum to play with Dahlin. Byrums analytics with Dahlin are quite good and pairing Dahlin with the oft-injured p*ssy samuelson on the first line is unacceptable 

If you think KA and Jarmo are dumb, imagine how dumb every other GM is besides Utah's.  They all could have given just a little more than nothing and got a star player.

See now how ridiculous we are?

[dudacek]

7 hours ago, Thorny said:

Honestly, it’s yours

take it 

Meh. The way things seem to go around here, the fancystats will be wrong about Peterka. Or he will grow up and start playing a game I respect because the kid is talented.

Trade value seems off to me, and I don’t trust Adams.

But the Peterka I watched last year frustrated me in the same way the team did. I don’t blame him, but I don’t see him as the core piece many of you seem to. I’m not going to miss him. Kinda feel about him like I did about Miro Satan.

All I can do is hope the new guys are a step toward a team that plays a better brand of hockey and is easier to cheer for.

Edited 4 hours ago by dudacek

[Carmel Corn]

6 minutes ago, Weave said:

Technically, Norris replaces Cozens offense (yeah, I know).  As of now, someone like Benson or Quinn will need to replace JJs offense.

Or maybe Kulich on wing, which is where I think he actually belongs.  Go get another center and move Kulich to wing.

[7+6=13]

2 minutes ago, ... said:

That's only 1 for 3 right now. The Cozens/Norris swap is still TBD - because Norris has an injury history. Are there metrics on durability, btw? 

If it's TBD then why do we get trashed for it until Norris doesn't get hurt or plays good?  We're an illogical fan base now, largely .  Cozens sucks and you're too scared to say it.  Especially at his ridiculous salary.  In hindsight, I would have traded him for nothing, we got better just not having him on the ice.  Let alone for anything Norris brings.

[Jorcus]

3 minutes ago, French Collection said:

Does Benson get more ice time without JJP around? He could be the top playmaker with some shooters like TNT, Norris, Tuch, Kulich and Quinn.

If you want Thompson to ask out of Buffalo put Benson on a line with him instead of a proven veteran winger who is a threat to score so the goalie does not always shade to his side. Save TNT please. 

[apuszczalowski]

8 hours ago, Andrew Amerk said:

I find this hard to believe. 

Not if he is next in line for Adams job, then it makes perfect sense.....

[JoeSchmoe]

I want to see the analytics of why this was a good trade. I looked through it, and it neither player are analytics darlings. Peterka has talent that can't be easily replaced.

[LGR4GM]

Just now, Jorcus said:

If you want Thompson to ask out of Buffalo put Benson on a line with him instead of a proven veteran winger who is a threat to score so the goalie does not always shade to his side. Save TNT please. 

Terrible take 

I bet Thompson will love having a guy who wins puck battles and makes slick passes. 

Just now, JoeSchmoe said:

I want to see the analytics of why this was a good trade. I looked through it, and it neither player are analytics darlings. Peterka has talent that can't be easily replaced.

Peterka can't play defense and analytics doubts his sh%

[Archie Lee]

17 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

How many points did they get with jj Peterka on the team last year?

Also, and we could get into his injury stuff, but Norris didn't play. 

Fair enough. 

I just think that the person primarily responsible for us having 79 points, finishing 7th last, being bad in many ways year after year, is Adams (and Pegula).  I’m not saying he hasn’t made any good moves. But the sum of his moves has equaled futility.  

Doan and Kesserling combined have played fewer NHL games than Peterka.  All of their career has been on a team that is coached the way we were told Ruff coaches a team. Structure and accountability. If it makes people feel good that Kesserling and Doan have good underlying numbers when in their short careers they have been on a team where basically every player has good underlying numbers, then that’s fine. It’s something to have some optimism about, I guess.

I certainly have no issues with either player. Big picture though?  Surely at this point you can forgive a Sabre fan for being skeptical?

Edited 4 hours ago by Archie Lee

[Indabuff]

7 hours ago, dudacek said:

 

Beware of what you wish for. 😔

Also given the possible penny pinching and players looking to jump ship, beware if you've ever posted that you could "play better than player X".  You might find an email from KA titled "Hi, I heard you played 10U hockey" in your junk email.

[Jorcus]

1 minute ago, Carmel Corn said:

Or maybe Kulich on wing, which is where I think he actually belongs.  Go get another center and move Kulich to wing.

No Kulich wit TNT. Put together a legit first line whether its Norris and Thompson plus a vet or Tuch and Thompson plus a vet. No more kids for Thompson. Give him what he deserves if you are serious about having a great line. 

[OverPowerYou]

So the Utah Mammoth used to be the Phoenix Coyotes. 
 

We stole Briere from the Coyotes

They stole Peterka from us

Did we reverse the curse? 
 

I’m desperate and reaching 

Edited 4 hours ago by OverPowerYou

[JP51]

39 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

I don't get anyone calling Doan a prospect. He's an nhl player. 

He is a player that has played 62 games in the NHL last 2 years... averaging about 13 minutes of ice time...  he is not yet a full time NHLer playing over 1/3 of his games in the AHL last year...  to me that is a developing NHL prospect. I do not think we have seen the overall NHL potential of him and however unlikely are not assured he will be a full time NHLer he has to make it and secure a spot.. (that said I see little chance of him not making it) . So I am not sure what is not to get except maybe our definition of prospect is different.. like if they play in the NHL for a certain number of games they are no longer a prospect in your definition... ok then change my term to what ever you call that level player...  to me until I see a full season in the NHL full time I myself refer to that person as a prospect.  The point is that we hope we do not have a fully developed player, that he will play in the NHL full time this season, and we hope his production and ice time will increase...  

Edited 4 hours ago by JP51

[Jorcus]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Terrible take 

I bet Thompson will love having a guy who wins puck battles and makes slick passes. 

Peterka can't play defense and analytics doubts his sh%

 

No one will shade to Bensons slow slap shot. There are better players available. 

[That Aud Smell]

2 hours ago, #freejame said:

-As long as Kevyn Adams is making the decisions, I will not have confidence in the Sabres being successful

That's just it for me. I don't trust Adams. At all.

1 hour ago, inkman said:

I like the guys they got.  Whether or not it’s equal value is irrelevant to me. The team needed a culture change.  Getting bad players (Dylan Cozens) or offense only allergic to defense players (Peterka) off the roster in exchange for engaged, physical players is a win in my book.  

... but I do vibe with Inky's sense of how to do the hockey.

5 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Meh. The way things seem to go around here, the fancystats will be wrong about Peterka. Or he will grow up and start playing a game I respect because the kid is talented.

Trade value seems off to me, and I don’t trust Adams.

But the Peterka I watched last year frustrated me in the same way the team did. I don’t blame him, but I don’t see him as the core piece many of you seem to. I’m not going to miss him. Kinda feel about him like I did about Miro Satan.

All I can do is hope the new guys are a step toward a team that plays a better brand of hockey and are easier to cheer for.

Perfectly captures my ambivalence.

And honestly -- given that Adams is still running the show (from what I can tell) -- being ambivalent about a trade is  probably as good as I can hope for.

[CallawaySabres]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

You act like there has been a series of poor trades. McLeod for Savoie? People reacted the same way as they are now, but McLeod came in and did well. It was what we all say we want: Use an asset to get better now and overpay if you have to. 

Cozens/Gilbert for Norris/JBD is TBD until we see what Norris brings. Mittelstadt for Byrum I guess is a wash until we see what Byrum brings in trade. 

Remember how Adams "overvalues his players?? Well, look at us now.

Honestly, I have never heard of either player coming back and I REALLY liked Peterka. I had zero emotion on Mitts and Savoie so in a year where BIG things need to happen to crack the top 8, this is an awful start in my eyes. Go get Jason Robertson (yeah right) and maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. 

[postseasonblues]

I got nothing,  Kevyn said I wouldn't understand and he feels sorry that.