Time to trade Peterka

[Rasmus_]

Personally, I want someone like Greig back in a Peterka trade.  Someone young enough to fit the group but with snarl and edge to his game.  We need our own Marchand.  Another rat type player I'm a fan of is L'Heureux.  Not as a complete one-for-one acquisition but players with bite and edge. 

[Huckleberry]

I just don't want him traded, I want him signed long term.

[ponokasabre]

4 minutes ago, Rasmus_ said:

Personally, I want someone like Greig back in a Peterka trade.  Someone young enough to fit the group but with snarl and edge to his game.  We need our own Marchand.  Another rat type player I'm a fan of is L'Heureux.  Not as a complete one-for-one acquisition but players with bite and edge. 

Ya Nashville has said they are okay being bad and taking a step back to get better in the long run

unfortunatley there roster just isn’t good and most of the big name guys have no move clauses 

L’Heureux would be an amazing pick up! I’d probably want at least Lauzon as well for the back end, he led the nhl in hits multiple years, and then what about ROR he is the only vet that doesn’t have a no move and would balance cap slightly 

I would personally be totally fine with him coming back for that hybrid 2/3 center between him and Mcloed 

we still would have a gaping hole on the defense beside Power, because even if we did get Lauzon he is best as a 5/6 

[Jorcus]

17 hours ago, Archie Lee said:

I wouldn’t hate Peterka for Kyrou. It is at least getting an established NHL player in return. They are offensively similar and I think Kyrou’s defensive game has improved. 

Kyrou is 4 years older than Peterka. Like Peterka he was a 2nd round pick. He was drafted out of major junior by a St Louis team full of vets, so there was no quick path to the NHL like Peterka had. In his D5 year, which Peterka just completed, Kyrou had 35 points in 55 games (Covid year).  Since then he has put up offensive numbers equal to what Peterka did this year (73 pts per 82 games). Kyrou signed his current 8 year 8.13 million per year deal, after his D7 year.  One way to look at is that Kyrou has proven he is a 70-75 point winger, and JJP hasn’t quite yet. Another way to look at it is we are giving up 4 prime years in a similar player’s career.  And then there is the possibility Peterka is only scratching the surface of his offensive output  

If there is a team out there that really likes Peterka, I could see him getting an offer sheet in the $9 million range, where the Sabres would not match;  the cost would be a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.  If Peterka’s offensive ceiling is just a bit higher than what he has shown, then he is likely going to be worth $9 million per year in the not distant future. Seems crazy, but…

 

I like Kyrou and straight up would be a good trade but it would cause some logistic issues or maybe solve a problem. Kyrou is a right shot right wing player. Although Peterka is listed at a right winger he most often plays left and has a left handed shot. If you get Kyrou he is probably taking over for Quinn which I am all for but the loss of Peterka now leaves a hole at left wing. You are left with Zucker, Benson and Greenway. Norris or Kulich could go to the left wing and maybe that is the answer. Thompson centering Kyrou would be a formidable combination. 

[Doohickie]

19 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Moving the team to Houston and keeping the name Sabres would be the worst thing that can happen.  

 

When Houston gets a team it will be named the Houston Aeros.  Book it.

[pastajoe]

38 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

 

When Houston gets a team it will be named the Houston Aeros.  Book it.

I don’t think so, too much time has passed. Most people don’t know the origin; that the team was originally going to be the Dayton Aeros as tribute to Ohio’s aviation history.

They will pick a name relevant to Houston and Texas.

[darksabre]

6 minutes ago, pastajoe said:

I don’t think so, too much time has passed. Most people don’t know the origin; that the team was originally going to be the Dayton Aeros as tribute to Ohio’s aviation history.

They will pick a name relevant to Houston and Texas.

Ah yes, the Houston Toxic Beaches 

[That Aud Smell]

14 minutes ago, darksabre said:

Ah yes, the Houston Toxic Beaches 

Could have been the Buffalo Brownfield Beach Parties?

 

 

I caught Buffalo's Mallwalkers a couple times a decade ago or so. They were fun. And loud.

[thewookie1]

3 hours ago, Rasmus_ said:

Personally, I want someone like Greig back in a Peterka trade.  Someone young enough to fit the group but with snarl and edge to his game.  We need our own Marchand.  Another rat type player I'm a fan of is L'Heureux.  Not as a complete one-for-one acquisition but players with bite and edge. 

No thx, no interest in trading him to Ottawa and letting him light up with his fellow German in Stutzle

[Porous Five Hole]

1 hour ago, Doohickie said:

 

When Houston gets a team it will be named the Houston Aeros.  Book it.

Just reading about the Aeros AHL days on Wikipedia and boy did the team and fans get screwed by the Houston Rockets ownership group forcing their relocation.  

[inkman]

1 hour ago, thewookie1 said:

No thx, no interest in trading him to Ottawa and letting him light up with his fellow German in Stutzle

You are acting as if this concept is new. All of the Sabres good players are going to leave.  It’s not a matter of “if” it’s just matter of “when”.  Frankly, I’m ready for this franchise to fold or leave. We hate them.  They act like they hate us.  Just be done with it already. 

[Broken Ankles]

23 minutes ago, inkman said:

You are acting as if this concept is new. All of the Sabres good players are going to leave.  It’s not a matter of “if” it’s just matter of “when”.  Frankly, I’m ready for this franchise to fold or leave. We hate them.  They act like they hate us.  Just be done with it already. 

[DarthEbriate]

23 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Kyrou is a 30 goal scorer and has 150 goals in 416 games. Rosen is looking like maybe someday a 3rd line player.  I do not see anything in Rosen that indicate 30 goals and 70+ points.  

I would think the Blues would ask for something more with JJP for Kyrou. 

Whoops, I didn't expand on that enough. My bad. By full potential I meant -- when they drafted him if he had achieved his maximum homerun swing potential, maybe even grew another inch or two, and basically was a diamond in the rough.

I agree: now his ceiling is a responsible 3W with an above-average shot, which can be a good player -- like an Evan Rodrigues (who floats up the lineup without any problems) and should never cost you that much in salary unless you sign him UFA the season after he wins a Cup and has several clutch moments and your team needs "winners" and "leadership".

[Thorny]

18 hours ago, Brawndo said:

I cheer for a team that has not made the playoffs in 14 years therefore I will not complain about any player being a non playoff performer until the Sabres qualify. 
 

Kyrou was second on the team in scoring, he would have been second on the Sabres as well.

In terms of his two way game, only Dylan Holloway had better defensive metrics amongst their top six forwards per Evolving Hockey and he did lead the Blues with a +23.  Kyrou was in the 72nd percentile while JJP was in the 2nd percentile this past season. In full disclosure Kyrou was in the 24th percentile for his 23 year old season. 
 

Still the most likely scenario is JJP signs a two year bridge deal with Buffalo. 

“But will they perform in the playoffs?” is a spit out your drink level hilarious question to ask as a sabres fan at this time, I agree. Just get there 

lay the first brick 

Edited 21 hours ago by Thorny

[Rasmus_]

4 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

No thx, no interest in trading him to Ottawa and letting him light up with his fellow German in Stutzle

I only meant a player "like" Greig.  We need an ***** in our line up.  Sorry, Greenway is not that. 

[Pimlach]

6 hours ago, pastajoe said:

I don’t think so, too much time has passed. Most people don’t know the origin; that the team was originally going to be the Dayton Aeros as tribute to Ohio’s aviation history.

They will pick a name relevant to Houston and Texas.

Aero is also relevant to Houston. The space program was centered in Houston.  
 

I don’t care what they call them. 

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Aero is also relevant to Houston. The space program was centered in Houston.  
 

I don’t care what they call them. 

My personal preference is the Houston Never Existeds.

[kas23]

3 minutes ago, Taro T said:

My personal preference is the Houston Never Existeds.

What about the Houston We Have a Problems. 

[Taro T]

4 minutes ago, kas23 said:

What about the Houston We Have a Problems. 

Nah, 'cause that implies Houston actually gets a team.

[JohnC]

I've tried to be open-minded about the JJP trade discussion. I've leaned toward keeping him because I see more upside from him and was tired of seeing our young players prospering with other teams. I now have come to a position where I'm steadfastly against dealing him. It is now a hard no for me. Many people make the argument that the organization has to alter its roster just to shake things up. I agree with that sentiment. But moving out young players who are already producing and are at an age where there is much more talent to tap into doesn't make sense to me. There is no question that JJP and other young players need to be more responsible in the defensive side of the game. And it is up to the coaching and the players to work to become better all-around players. So on the trade JJP discussion I'm on the hard no side of the argument. 

I'm attaching a Buffalo News link, Mike Harrington column on this issue. It may not be available for everyone because of the pay requirements. 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nhl/sabres/article_b2b6a614-e834-4784-ba99-6d3f7eee9394.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

 

 

[The Jokeman]

18 hours ago, inkman said:

You are acting as if this concept is new. All of the Sabres good players are going to leave.  It’s not a matter of “if” it’s just matter of “when”.  Frankly, I’m ready for this franchise to fold or leave. We hate them.  They act like they hate us.  Just be done with it already. 

Please once the Sabres make it to the playoffs again the Arena will get packed again, as a life long Buffalonian I hate to say it but most fans are frontrunners and show the Buffalove when teams win, see Bills and Bandits always selling out. Sabres well we can only take so much losing. Heck I've stopped watching them on tv on a regular basis. 

[dudacek]

Everybody (except @JohnC) wants massive changes.

Nobody (except @terrypegula) wants Kevyn Adams to make them.

I suspect what’s coming will not be warmly received by Sabrespace because it will involve hyped pieces being moved for less-hyped pieces by an untrustworthy GM.

That’s what happens when you move talent for roster construction and that’s what you’re asking them to do.

If it happens, trading your #2 D and your 1LW a few months after swapping out your 2C in would be among the most significant transformations this team has made in a short period in its history, meaning hockey trades, not sell-offs.

It’s certainly not Eichel ROR Lehner Kane and Bogisian, or Lafontaine Hawerchuk level. But it does represent meaningful change.

Im not confident we’ll be better in a month but I’m starting to believe we’ll be different.

Edited 4 hours ago by dudacek

[Taro T]

30 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Everybody (except @JohnC) wants massive changes.

Nobody (except @terrypegula) wants Kevyn Adams to make them.

I suspect what’s coming will not be warmly received by Sabrespace because it will involve hyped pieces being moved for less-hyped pieces by an untrustworthy GM.

That’s what happens when you move talent for roster construction and that’s what you’re asking them to do.

If it happens, trading your #2 D and your 1LW a few months after swapping out your 2C in would be among the most significant transformations this team has made in a short period in its history, meaning hockey trades, not sell-offs.

It’s certainly not Eichel ROR Lehner Kane and Bogisian, or Lafontaine Hawerchuk level. But it does represent meaningful change.

Im not confident we’ll be better in a month but I’m starting to believe we’ll be different.

Well, if you flat out refuse to make any changes to the scouting or coaching departments and you know SOMETHING has to change to keep from spinning your wheels even further into the muck, then you have to swap out some key pieces if not even "core" pieces.

The fear is that Adams gets competing offers and instead of evaluating them primarily on what the BIG piece coming back in any package happens to be, he ends up evaluating it on the "total value" of pieces coming back.  He needs to stay focused on what the main piece coming back is because all of the ancillary pieces are essentially interchangeable.  Hopefully Kekelainen and Karmanos can keep him focused on that part of the deals.  Whether the sweetener is another team's 5th best or 5th best prospect or a 4th this year vs a 3rd next year; they don't friggin' matter in the grand scheme of things.  Come away with the Robertson by himself rather than Petterson and a 3rd pairing D-man.

[ponokasabre]

From another board:

 

This morning on NHL Radio Scott Laughlin (morning show host) said he heard on a "reputable podcast" that Peterka for Necas is a real possibility. Anyone hear the podcast he's referring to?

To me thats a trade that makes a lot of sense. If Peterka wants out of Buffalo its hard to find a better spot than riding shotgun with Mac. Meanwhile Buffalo wants another center and Necas wants to be a center

 

Dont shoot the messenger!

 

I could get behind this deal if there is more to it, Colorado needs to cut salary, so add Ross Colton or Josh Manson to this as well, I know they will want to add Miles Wood and becasue he is from Buffalo and played for Lindy I could see KA agreeing to take him

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

Everybody (except @JohnC) wants massive changes.

Nobody (except @terrypegula) wants Kevyn Adams to make them.

I suspect what’s coming will not be warmly received by Sabrespace because it will involve hyped pieces being moved for less-hyped pieces by an untrustworthy GM.

That’s what happens when you move talent for roster construction and that’s what you’re asking them to do.

If it happens, trading your #2 D and your 1LW a few months after swapping out your 2C in would be among the most significant transformations this team has made in a short period in its history, meaning hockey trades, not sell-offs.

It’s certainly not Eichel ROR Lehner Kane and Bogisian, or Lafontaine Hawerchuk level. But it does represent meaningful change.

Im not confident we’ll be better in a month but I’m starting to believe we’ll be different.

Your analysis is astute and perspicacious.

I strongly believe that our biggest priority relates to the net. The next priority is reconfiguring the blue line unit. Bryan is an asset that needs to be smartly parlayed. What I’m hoping for is doable. I’m also encouraged that a wiser former GM was brought in to help our frail GM.