PerreaultForever Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 4 hours ago, dudacek said: isn’t it really just about spending your money wisely? I think it @GASabresIUFAN who has talked on here about Adams choices at the bottom of his roster. While Vancouver was paying $4M to Lafferty, Blueger and Joshua, the Sabres were paying $7.2M to Okposo, Girgensons and Jost. That’s not just about having a better bottom 6, the difference might be what allows you to acquire an Elias Lindholm. It”s not something the Sabres have really had to worry about as they stocked their roster with players on their first and 2nd contracts. But it’s something they need to worry about now. That's it entirely. You can look at other teams as well and see bottom 3 depth/role players totaling 3-4 million(ish) on many teams. All contributing more than KO and Girgs. The first question for free agency (and we have no way to know the answer but it's the question all the same) is will we spend to the cap to try to win now or will we be a lower towards the floor team with some philosophy about future contracts. If we do not spend and bring in bodies we need we will have trouble actually being better. Yes, I believe in Ruff, but how much can he really do? It was pointed out in one of the threads how bad Granato would really be if UPL hadn't stepped up and put up great goaltending numbers. That's the team Ruff is inheriting, and there's no guarantee the two young goalies will be great next season. We need additions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 (edited) 22 hours ago, oddoublee said: No one will like my answer, but Muel is dead weight. Doesn't play enough. Analytics are poor. 'his' win loss record is good...but that has to be taken with a grain of salt based on his role. That is 4 million I personally would love to shed He certainly stands out as someone who isn’t earning his pay, but this is mostly due to his injury history. I’m not going to call a 24 year-old defenseman dead weight though. Overpaid at this point in time, yes. That said, I expect him to have a decent bounce back year under Ruff. Edited May 18 by kas23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 Trades That's the avenue to improvement. Sabres will be players last choice in FA, unless no one else offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorcus Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 23 hours ago, dudacek said: The Sabres have the 9th most space with $23M They have 13 NHL players signed and 10 players to re-sign or replace with that space: Luukkonen, Jokiharju, Krebs, Bryson, Clague, Olofsson, Girgensons, Jost, Comrie, Robinson. For sake of argument, I’m going to dedicate $10M to re-signing the first 3 and let the rest go. Also for sake of argument, I’m going to budget $3M on the 3 guys starting in the press box. That leaves $10M to spend on 3 top 12 forwards and a backup goalie. That’s plenty of space for upgrades to Okposo Girgensons Olofsson and Comrie, particularly when you have a Comrie upgrade already available at $900K in Levi. I think you have to factor Peterka and Quinn contract upgrades in all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 9 minutes ago, Jorcus said: I think you have to factor Peterka and Quinn contract upgrades in all of this. As I’ve said ad nauseum, the cap will be sky rocketing and the Sabres have plenty of space for Quinn and JJP. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 6 hours ago, dudacek said: Sure, but let’s not dismiss it as a pipe dream either. This is how good teams have stayed competitive and mediocre teams have made the jump. You’re not going to sign Lindholm and Joshua for anywhere near that money, but you can find the next Lindholm and Joshua. If you want to contend, you have to. This is where your analytics department should come in and find diamonds in rough. They do need to add some more pro scouts having Jeremiah Crowe as the Director of Pro Scouting because he is the only one in the department isn’t it. I do think this has at least partially contributed to the poor UFA acquisitions. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jorcus said: I think you have to factor Peterka and Quinn contract upgrades in all of this. 1 hour ago, tom webster said: As I’ve said ad nauseum, the cap will be sky rocketing and the Sabres have plenty of space for Quinn and JJP. Quinn and Peterka are two years into their ELC's. You can pay them a lot next summer if you want. But you also can literally wait 5 more years before you have to give them big contracts. If they deserve the big money earlier, then that's a good problem to have. You move somebody to clear up space. That's what the good teams do. Edited May 19 by dudacek 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 17 minutes ago, dudacek said: Quinn and Peterka are two years into their ELC's. You and pay them a lot next summer if you want. But you also can literally wait 5 more years before you have to give them big contracts. If the deserve the big money earlier, then that's a good problem to have. You move somebody to clear up space. That's what the good teams do. Not to mention Skinner’s $9M will be gone, one way or the other. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 (edited) 9 hours ago, dudacek said: isn’t it really just about spending your money wisely? I think it @GASabresIUFAN who has talked on here about Adams choices at the bottom of his roster. While Vancouver was paying $4M to Lafferty, Blueger and Joshua, the Sabres were paying $7.2M to Okposo, Girgensons and Jost. That’s not just about having a better bottom 6, the difference might be what allows you to acquire an Elias Lindholm. It”s not something the Sabres have really had to worry about as they stocked their roster with players on their first and 2nd contracts. But it’s something they need to worry about now. The Sabres have needed better asset management for 13 years, but Adams has been particularly awful. Okposo and Girgensons should have been gone 2 years ago. Jost should not have been re-signed. It’s not the so much money, but it’s about getting your money’s worth on the ice. KO, Jost, Robinson, and Z gave us 49 points (205 games) for almost $ 9 Million. We could have paid 4-5 million for the same production and had money left over to improve the team in other areas like real center depth, a top 4 D etc…. I keep asking people why they are so hopeful Adams will finally make the correct move to improve the team when he has no track record of making good pro level acquisitions. Other than UPL not a single UFA or RFA should return next season, and that includes Joki and Krebs. As to the thread title, I’d like to see a UFA list of players that can help this team who might actually want to play here. I’ve mentioned Monahan, who grew up in southern Ontario, as a remote possibility (I know Wpg wants to keep him). Who else? Edited May 19 by GASabresIUFAN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 19 Report Share Posted May 19 3 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: The Sabres have needed better asset management for 13 years, but Adams has been particularly awful. Okposo and Girgensons should have been gone 2 years ago. Jost should not have been re-signed. It’s not the so much money, but it’s about getting your money’s worth on the ice. KO, Jost, Robinson, and Z gave us 49 points (205 games) for almost $ 9 Million. We could have paid 4-5 million for the same production and had money left over to improve the team in other areas like real center depth, a top 4 D etc…. I keep asking people why they are so hopeful Adams will finally make the correct move to improve the team when he has no track record of making good pro level acquisitions. Other than UPL not a single UFA or RFA should return next season, and that includes Joki and Krebs. Okposo was still under contract 2 years ago and it made zero sense to buy him out when he was the veteran leader. Girgs is fine, a fine 4th liner who made a bit more than he should. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSeatVertigo Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 On 5/17/2024 at 9:35 AM, dudacek said: It’s an interesting class, but it’s hard to get excited about it. Not when your team has not shown much interest in, or got much interest from, the big names. Not when our big splashes have been Hall, Okposo, Ehrhoff and Leino. what rock star NHLer wants to spend the whole winter in WNY with a disfunctional franchise when you could go live in Vegas, Cali or Fla all winter with well-run contender franchises? Sabres will continue to have this problem and will need to grow their own talent, as the better established players all have no-trade clauses in their contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 Trades are where you add impact players to your lineup. UFA is for rounding out the corners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickshaw Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 Joshua is one we have to try for. He’s a good, solid player. He will thrive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFinn Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 What is Sabrespace opinion of Amadio? A podcast I listen to liked him, could he be a Sabre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres73 Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 7 hours ago, OrangeSeatVertigo said: what rock star NHLer wants to spend the whole winter in WNY with a disfunctional franchise when you could go live in Vegas, Cali or Fla all winter with well-run contender franchises? Sabres will continue to have this problem and will need to grow their own talent, as the better established players all have no-trade clauses in their contracts. I don't know that that's the case. Maybe you need more Canadian kids used to winter in the lineup. But an NHL player who bases where he wants to play on the weather - I don't want that guy on my team. Let's not forget the best player on the planet plays in Edmonton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 54 minutes ago, rickshaw said: Joshua is one we have to try for. He’s a good, solid player. He will thrive. I didn't see much of the Canucks this year -- can you give me the sales pitch as to why he'd be a good signing? He's got good size and seems to play the kind of crash-bang game the Sabres need in their bottom 6 -- but as I posted elsewhere, I'm a bit concerned about getting too excited about a guy who is 28 and only has 2 seasons as a full-time NHL player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, rickshaw said: Joshua is one we have to try for. He’s a good, solid player. He will thrive. Who? Could admittedly easily just be put down to a textbook example my waning interest in the league at large but I’ve never even heard of this guy. Looking at his stats a guy with this sort of late emergence would be a reasonable addition but reek of desperation if he’s the “big” add Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 8 hours ago, OrangeSeatVertigo said: what rock star NHLer wants to spend the whole winter in WNY with a disfunctional franchise when you could go live in Vegas, Cali or Fla all winter with well-run contender franchises? Sabres will continue to have this problem and will need to grow their own talent, as the better established players all have no-trade clauses in their contracts. This is old. The Cali teams are nothing great, in fact 2 of them are worse than Buffalo, and not everyone wants to live in crime ridden and depraved south Florida. Like the Bills, avoid the rock stars, look for rock solid people instead. The Sabres have very good young talent already and they have a sufficient pipeline. They need vets in their prime to fill the holes on the roster. Trades need to be made to jump start the current core players we have or the losing will continue. Mid priced free agents are also out there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Thorny said: Who? Could admittedly easily just be put down to a textbook example my waning interest in the league at large but I’ve never even heard of this guy. Looking at his stats a guy with this sort of late emergence would be a reasonable addition but reek of desperation if he’s the “big” add Finished the season strong with 5 goals in his last 10 games. Led the playoffs in hits, so far. Good size, will drop the mitts if need be. He plays middle 6 LW but has played some C and can win a few draws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, SabreFinn said: What is Sabrespace opinion of Amadio? A podcast I listen to liked him, could he be a Sabre? I watched his junior career closely, he played his OHL hockey here. Decent size and some skill, scored 50 in junior. Definitely a bottom six player at this level, although he has had stints on the top 6. He plays hard and has won a Cup. Wouldnt give him big money but he would out produce Girgs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 On 5/17/2024 at 9:18 AM, bob_sauve28 said: Find the best faceoff guy and throw money at him!!! If the choice comes between the better faceoff player and a better player, I'm going with the better player. Of course, I would like to add a good faceoff player, but I'm not going to prioritize that skill over the better player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 12 minutes ago, JohnC said: If the choice comes between the better faceoff player and a better player, I'm going with the better player. Of course, I would like to add a good faceoff player, but I'm not going to prioritize that skill over the better player. I was just kidding, piggy backing on the face off debate going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 I was looking through the list of NHL UFAs and guess what, Tyson Jost is the 6th highest paid UFA center. Monahan signed with Montreal last season for the same $2 mill we paid Jost. G-d Adams sucks. I did find a player with one year left on his deal who could be a good fit and that's Mikeal Granlund if SJS is willing to part with him. He is 32 and has one year left at $5 mill and had 60 pts last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 29 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said: I was just kidding, piggy backing on the face off debate going on We need a "just kidding" emoji! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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