GASabresIUFAN Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: You really believe Bryson and Miller are better roster choices than Borgen? Different kind of players, but yes both, especially Bryson are better players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 Just now, GASabresIUFAN said: Different kind of players, but yes both, especially Bryson are better players. We will agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSchmoe Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 2 hours ago, inkman said: Borgen Like many of us, I didn't see him play much in Rochester, but legend has it he could run a mile with an ox on his shoulders. #legendofwillborgen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPuckYourself Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 It would have been cool to watch Borgen and Power destroying people but I'm good with this if we get at least a decent return for Risto but I have my doubts since this guy has been on the block what seems like 4 years in a row now and nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Youth Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 43 minutes ago, SDS said: This discussion has Tim Kennedy written all over it. Eh. This is the Matt Ellis of Tim Kennedy discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 30 minutes ago, Thwomp! said: More apt and recent comparison would be Brayden McNabb. Young defenseman we developed and gave up for nothing. He's had a nice career. You’re welcome to have your own comparison. My comparison with Tim Kennedy has to do with the hand ringing. ”now, my bitter hands chafe beneath the clouds of what was everything...“ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 Borgen will play significant minutes in Seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, SDS said: You’re welcome to have your own comparison. My comparison with Tim Kennedy has to do with the hand ringing. ”now, my bitter hands chafe beneath the clouds of what was everything...“ "Oh the pictures have all been washed in black Tattooed everything" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 41 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Different kind of players, but yes both, especially Bryson are better players. I’m not even sure that Bryson is going to be an NHL player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Line Center Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, GASabresIUFAN said: What was Borgen's trade value? A 4th rd pick? Risto will easily return a 2nd and remove a 5.4 mill cap liability. I don't think by the way it looks Seattle would have taken Risto. I'd rather have exposed him. If we exposed him they take Zemgus or Miller, no? Wouldn't that have been better then losing Borgen? If Risto is only returning a 2nd round pick, sorry, I'd rather keep Borgen and risk losing Risto. Which again, looks like they wouldn't have picked him. Where am I wrong? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, SDS said: You’re welcome to have your own comparison. My comparison with Tim Kennedy has to do with the hand ringing. ”now, my bitter hands chafe beneath the clouds of what was everything...“ 4 minutes ago, Norcal said: "Oh the pictures have all been washed in black Tattooed everything" Hot Take- Pearl Jam is way overrated. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, inkman said: I care. This team needs players like Borgen in spades. Every NHL team has them. Our current toughest roster player, Colin Miller the worst dman on the team. Surprised Botterill didn't want him. He got him for the Sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 Just now, Curt said: Hot Take- Pearl Jam is way overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Curt said: Hot Take- Pearl Jam is way overrated. Just kidding. They lost me after their third or fourth album but still represent my all time favorite album (Ten) and songs list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 You guys are really going to be upset when we hear tonight that Buffalo made a side deal to give Seattle a 4th to take Borgen. 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Curt said: You guys are really going to be upset when we hear tonight that Buffalo made a side deal to give Seattle a 4th to take Borgen. Sounds about par for the course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Second Line Center said: I don't think by the way it looks Seattle would have taken Risto. I'd rather have exposed him. If we exposed him they take Zemgus or Miller, no? Wouldn't that have been better then losing Borgen? If Risto is only returning a 2nd round pick, sorry, I'd rather keep Borgen and risk losing Risto. Which again, looks like they wouldn't have picked him. Where am I wrong? Because Borgen is at best a 3rd pairing guy. He can be replaced by signing Luke Schenn for 800K. Risto, who may or may not be traded, is a better player and just as physical. Risto, if pairing correctly, gives us an excellent PP asset and a solid 2nd line player who can play 20 minutes plus a night. Borgen isn't even close. If traded should return a second rd pick and a reasonable prospect. Bottomline: Risto is a better all around player and has more trade value. That is why you protect him over a guy like Borgen who has 14 games of NHL experience with zero points, is already 24 and limited trade value (if any). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Second Line Center Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Because Borgen is at best a 3rd pairing guy. He can be replaced by signing Luke Schenn for 800K. Risto, who may or may not be traded, is a better player and just as physical. Risto, if pairing correctly, I'm just done hearing about we don't use him right. I'm doubting the return on Risto. And we know that he's been a major part of a defense that has been atrocious his entire tenure here. So yes, the "analytics" to all that you said and I'm sure the front office is thinking to has some merit. Fine. I just disagree. But again my point, Seattle wasn't going to pick Risto. We could have him and Borgen right now and would have lost Miller -imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, SDS said: This discussion has Tim Kennedy written all over it. This discussion is the tim Kennedys of matt ellis's 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Second Line Center said: I'm just done hearing about we don't use him right. I'm doubting the return on Risto. And we know that he's been a major part of a defense that has been atrocious his entire tenure here. So yes, the "analytics" to all that you said and I'm sure the front office is thinking to has some merit. Fine. I just disagree. But again my point, Seattle wasn't going to pick Risto. We could have him and Borgen right now and would have lost Miller -imo. You have no idea whether they would have taken him or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, LabattBlue said: ...and Carrier has been gone for 3 years now, and who is the equivalent player on the 4th line that replaced him? Name any player. Bjork. There he replaced him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Second Line Center said: I'm just done hearing about we don't use him right. I would contend most of the team haven't been used right. Edited July 21, 2021 by PromoTheRobot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 I don’t understand these takes about losing Borgen being bad asset management. What were the alternatives? Exposing Risto instead would be bad asset management. He will bring a better return then Borgen. The rumours of draft pick asking prices in order to choose a specific player were 1st round picks. That is bad asset management. Losing a tweener 3rd pairing dman is not life or death. Losing him and not replacing the element he brings to a lineup is a mistake but there are plenty of options out there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 This is fine as long as the risto interest rumors are at least partly correct 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 A world where Will Borgen is simultaneously of significant value AND might be available on waivers is funny to me. Besides @inkman, I wonder how many on here have seen Borgen play more than a dozen or so games? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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