JohnC Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Radar said: Some who advocate blowing it up should realize we've pretty much put ourselves in the position we're in by doing that. From management down. I know it's probably not happening but Rhino should be signed long term if he is willing. Jack, unfortunately, has set himself up to get out. Both the organization and Jack have responsibility in that. I agree with everything you said. My ire is directed toward the organization and not the players wanting out. Ideally, Jack and Sam would be kept and be surrounded with more talent. The irony is that belatedly there is a growing young core that is ready to provide more support for Jack and Sam. However, when one side of the relationship doesn't want what the other side of the relationship wants then you have to adjust to the new reality. My sense is that the markers have been drawn and they can't be erased. So you have no choice other than to make the best of the situation that you can. Given what I have said I want to make it clear that if you can't get a reasonable deal for Jack then you keep him until you can get it. No more ROR fiasco deals that set you back! If a trade proposal is made by Anaheim that doesn't include Zegras and a top pick then the phone should be put down. Edited June 19, 2021 by JohnC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 Connecting a lot of dots, but is it fair to say Jack doesn't think the structure moving forward (KA+the Pegulas+Granato+the youngens) will give him a chance to win? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Connecting a lot of dots, but is it fair to say Jack doesn't think the structure moving forward (KA+the Pegulas+Granato+the youngens) will give him a chance to win? Definitely. I don’t think Jack is a deep enough thinker to go beyond the Pegulas haven’t given him a chance in three tries, he’s not waiting around for a 4th. I would say we would have been at this point last year, but Jack bought in to Krueger, and the Sabres gave him what he wanted with Hall, Eakin, and Staal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Radar said: Some who advocate blowing it up should realize we've pretty much put ourselves in the position we're in by doing that. From management down. I know it's probably not happening but Rhino should be signed long term if he is willing. Jack, unfortunately, has set himself up to get out. Both the organization and Jack have responsibility in that. This notion of "blowing it up" is silly to me. What exactly are we blowing up? There's nothing to "blow up". It's a big bag of ***** that's DEAD LAST in the league again. What exactly are you so desperate to hang on to??????? I don't want to get rid of anybody young. Just the old rotten core that has given us absolutely NOTHING and is not committed to being here or the team. You can debate who's fault that is but it doesn't matter. It is what it is, there is no foundation to build off of and there is simply no choice but to start over UNLESS you enjoy being dead last and want another decade of it. I don't. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 49 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Connecting a lot of dots, but is it fair to say Jack doesn't think the structure moving forward (KA+the Pegulas+Granato+the youngens) will give him a chance to win? No. Eichel, like every athlete, lives in the moment. At this moment, Eichel seems most concerned with getting healthy and getting back on the ice. All the rest is speculation and projection from the fans and media. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, PASabreFan said: Connecting a lot of dots, but is it fair to say Jack doesn't think the structure moving forward (KA+the Pegulas+Granato+the youngens) will give him a chance to win? Definitely. Said as much yesterday when we were going back and forth about culture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Thorny said: Definitely. Said as much yesterday when we were going back and forth about culture I don't read replies. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 hours ago, PASabreFan said: Connecting a lot of dots, but is it fair to say Jack doesn't think the structure moving forward (KA+the Pegulas+Granato+the youngens) will give him a chance to win? You succinctly made Jack's case as to why he wants to be moved; and correspondingly made a case why he should be moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 hours ago, PASabreFan said: Connecting a lot of dots, but is it fair to say Jack doesn't think the structure moving forward (KA+the Pegulas+Granato+the youngens) will give him a chance to win? I think it is also fair to say that KA has come to the conclusion that Jack doesn’t give the team its best chance to win GIVEN THE DIRECTION KA PLANS FOR THE TEAM. Not in terms of talent, but in terms of culture. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 32 minutes ago, Weave said: I think it is also fair to say that KA has come to the conclusion that Jack doesn’t give the team its best chance to win GIVEN THE DIRECTION KA PLANS FOR THE TEAM. Not in terms of talent, but in terms of culture. I mean it's not like we did a culture trade a few years back that ended up one of the biggest disasters in hockey history or anything. Why learn from history when you can repeat it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, JohnC said: You succinctly made Jack's case as to why he wants to be moved; and correspondingly made a case why he should be moved. All without any outside input because he doesn't read replies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, sabremike said: I mean it's not like we did a culture trade a few years back that ended up one of the biggest disasters in hockey history or anything. Why learn from history when you can repeat it? I hate this line of thought. We weren’t successful once at X with Y calling the shots so we won’t be successful this time with Z calling the shots. Lots of teams have done this and came out of it OK. Edited June 19, 2021 by Weave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 50 minutes ago, Weave said: I hate this line of thought. We weren’t successful once at X with Y calling the shots so we won’t be successful this time with Z calling the shots. Lots of teams have done this and came out of it OK. Hey, would you feel better if we see another overused “it’s the only joke I’ve got that has traction” giraffe pic/gif? I know I would! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Zamboni said: Hey, would you feel better if we see another overused “it’s the only joke I’ve got that has traction” giraffe pic/gif? I know I would! 😂 I need to find a “ beating a dead giraffe” gif. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, Weave said: I need to find a “ beating a dead giraffe” gif. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Weave said: I hate this line of thought. We weren’t successful once at X with Y calling the shots so we won’t be successful this time with Z calling the shots. Lots of teams have done this and came out of it OK. If you were to go back and look at the most spectacularly awful trades in hockey history the vast majority were done because of "culture change". The idea that Jack is the problem suggests that Adams is a complete fool who is about to get sharked. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 minute ago, sabremike said: If you were to go back and look at the most spectacularly awful trades in hockey history the vast majority were done because of "culture change". The idea that Jack is the problem suggests that Adams is a complete fool who is about to get sharked. I'm ready to say Jack is a problem. The only problem? Maybe because he's a captain wbo acts like nothing like one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJSabres Fan Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, Radar said: I'm ready to say Jack is a problem. The only problem? Maybe because he's a captain wbo acts like nothing like one. I think it’s risky picking your star player as captain. He better be captain material. If you’re just picking him because he’s your best player, you’re going to have a problem. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 I really hope they don’t pick a captain next season. The HC, likely to be Granato, should be the captain and have the final say in all matters. If someone presents himself as the leader, then great news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, kas23 said: I really hope they don’t pick a captain next season. The HC, likely to be Granato, should be the captain and have the final say in all matters. If someone presents himself as the leader, then great news. Just go with 3 A's 🙂 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 The coaching search was completed months ago. Meatballs it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabremike Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 5 hours ago, Zamboni said: Hey, would you feel better if we see another overused “it’s the only joke I’ve got that has traction” giraffe pic/gif? I know I would! 😂 I have more than one joke: What do you do when you face an elephant with three balls? Walk him and pitch to the rhino! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbert11 Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 5 hours ago, sabremike said: That is one of the many animals that when I consider their creation I say “What were they thinking?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 Why are people getting upset about the notion of blowing up a last overall team and trading away players that have not made a single playoff appearance? I think Adams has the right idea, it is if he can execute it that remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted June 20, 2021 Report Share Posted June 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: Why are people getting upset about the notion of blowing up a last overall team and trading away players that have not made a single playoff appearance? I think Adams has the right idea, it is if he can execute it that remains to be seen. “Blowing it all up” to me,, implies trading away 75% of the current roster and all prospects are fair game to trade away too. A cleansing with the hope and prayer that the current GM can replenish and improve the team. Either you trust KA to do that. Or you dislike him for whatever flavor of the day reason and don’t trust him to pull off a “blow it all up” maneuver. Every year since the days of TM, 10 or more roster or prospects trades have been done by the GM’s. And even though that hasn’t resulted in a winning organization, it’s not because of a lack of roster moves. It’s a lack of enough smarter, better, more effective roster moves. Paired with poor coaching choices. Frankly I think the past few seasons, every GM has done their own “blow it up” roster changes. Look at the roster from last season. Then look at the roster from the prior season. Then look at the roster from the season before that. The roster and prospect pool get pretty “blown up” every year. More or less. Some want scorched earth trade away almost everyone. Meh…. I think that’s a poor decision. And the reason of “well we haven’t won anything so blow it up” is low hanging simple minded fruit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.