The Zach Bogosian Dead Pool

[erickompositör72]

33 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

I don't believe it has to anything to do with strength or physical fitness.   

His musculature, joints and tendons apparently just can't handle the rigors of the NHL... which sucks.  

 

Maybe he should see if animal protein helps with that...

 

...sorry, any chance to take a shot at vegans ?

[GASabresIUFAN]

7 minutes ago, erickompositör72 said:

 

Maybe he should see if animal protein helps with that...

 

...sorry, any chance to take a shot at vegans ?

You know what PETA really stands for?

 

People Eating Tasty Animals.

[MakeSabresGrr8Again]

36 minutes ago, Mustache of God said:

Unfortunately he wasn't "Really ready, like SERIOUSLY really ready, #bringit ready."

Have there been any reports that he was on the ice today or was this his 4th maintenance day in a row?

I've half a mind to hunker down in the bunker but now that we have Skinner, Dahlin, Casey, Sam & Jack, and an improved squad I will direct my attention elsewhere.

No practice today....everyone is off.

[Weave]

1 hour ago, erickompositör72 said:

 

Maybe he should see if animal protein helps with that...

 

...sorry, any chance to take a shot at vegans ?

 

I thought ROR was the vegan, not Bogo.

[LTS]

14 hours ago, Weave said:

 

I thought ROR was the vegan, not Bogo.

Something something... Germans..

[Sabel79]

Bogo is practicing today.  This is not a drill.  Remain calm and stay in your homes... 

[darksabre]

5 minutes ago, Sabel79 said:

Bogo is practicing today.  This is not a drill.  Remain calm and stay in your homes... 

The pool continues...

[Huckleberry]

18 hours ago, Sabel79 said:

Bogo is practicing today.  This is not a drill.  Remain calm and stay in your homes... 

I say he slips in the shower room.

[North Buffalo]

I can't say what I think he will injure but it rhymes with angina or cray cray...

[Thorny]

On 9/19/2018 at 3:06 PM, LTS said:

There is a chance that something happened, something was found, etc. that has changed the situation.  It certainly happens.

Why do we need to nitpick the situation?  He's not on the ice.  He has a significant injury history.  If he's injured, he's injured.  It won't be a surprise to anyone and it won't really matter to the team since they've mostly been playing without him for the entirety of his contract.

He clearly was on the ice, playing, during the summer. If nothing else, he was able to do that. So, whatever the reason is, it is. There's no need to begin trashing the guy.

 

I don't believe the first bolded to be true, as from most accounts we've heard Botterill speak to a healthy Bogosian being counted on as an "addition" to this year's team.

To the second, that's fair. To me, it's not really about holding it against Bogosian, but the people who are counting on him to fulfill a significant role, if such is the case. 

[LTS]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

I don't believe the first bolded to be true, as from most accounts we've heard Botterill speak to a healthy Bogosian being counted on as an "addition" to this year's team.

To the second, that's fair. To me, it's not really about holding it against Bogosian, but the people who are counting on him to fulfill a significant role, if such is the case. 

Botterill's assertion is one that has to be made.  He is the GM on a team who has an oft-injured defender who was drafted extremely high. He doesn't want to buy him out because that would wreak havoc on his cap management.  He's left with one thing to say.  Bogosian is being counted on as an addition to this years team. 

What you also hear from the people on here is that he's not that good anyway.  I would agree to a certain point. He's certainly not worth his contract and he's not living up to his draft position.  

So, we can hope he overcomes injury, if he does we'll have to hope that he will make a difference that another defender wouldn't already make.  I can't be so positive as to say that at this point. 

[darksabre]

Welp 

 

[Taro T]

3 minutes ago, darksabre said:

Welp 

 

Guess they should've played Pilut and given Bogosian a maintenance day yesterday afterall.

[nucci]

he made it a bit longer in camp this season....that's a positive

[pi2000]

brutal

[erickompositör72]

I actually feel bad for the guy. Who knows what's really going on with him, physically.

All I know is that he looked so rusty in the few minutes I saw him on the ice, I can't see him being a positive contributor unless he has 15 games or so to get his act back together. Can he even string that many together? 

Is there a contract penalty if he retires? Sorry if this has been discussed before, but could it be that he has an ailment and intends on retiring, and this is all just some ploy to avoid incurring that penalty? 

Edited September 26, 2018 by erickompositör72

[Thorny]

Huge mistake by Botterill, pencilling him in a major role, and not addressing the RHD depth. As expected, Bogosian unfortunately just doesn't have the ability to remain healthy.

Does Dahlin now have to play out of the position they intended, as seen last night? Even if not, it's going to be hard to shelter a Dahlin - McCabe or whoever pairing with the likes of Beaulieu - Nelson. 

[Taro T]

23 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Huge mistake by Botterill, pencilling him in a major role, and not addressing the RHD depth. As expected, Bogosian unfortunately just doesn't have the ability to remain healthy.

Does Dahlin now have to play out of the position they intended, as seen last night? Even if not, it's going to be hard to shelter a Dahlin - McCabe or whoever pairing with the likes of Beaulieu - Nelson. 

They've already demonstrated a willingness to play McCabe on his off hand & I'd guess they still move him there before moving Dahlin.

McCabe was only moved back to left - flipping w/ Dahlin to allow him to skate w/ Borgen & take the extra shifts created by NoGo's absence.  (Guhle was moved back w/ Nelson as the final 5 D adjustment.)

Considering I don't expect any trades anytime soon, am hoping  this bumps Pilut into the top 6.  If it bumps Beaulieu up, it WILL be a long season.  (Could be long w/ Pilut too, but we don't know for certain what his shortcomings are.)

Am HOPING the reason for the Dahlin-Nelson experiment last night was that Housley FINALLY realized that Nathan is almost as good as he was in his own end & not a 1/4 of what he was in the other zones & can NOT handle 2nd pairing duty.  So, he tried Rasmus & Casey to see if they could handle 3rd pairing.

Am already resigned to this giving Housley his own justification to play Ristolainen 28 minutes / night & Scandella 26.5+.

With Bogosian out, there are only 3 top 5 guys currently on the roster.  If Nelson, Guhle, Pilut, & Dahlin come close to their potential; barring additional injuries, there might be 7 next year.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Taro T

[Thorny]

The perception seemed to be that the starting 6 was going to look like:

Scandella - Ristolainen

Dahlin - McCabe 

Beaulieu - Bogosian 

If Bogosian is out, and Pilut takes his spot, we are looking awfully thin on the right side, 2/3rds of which is then playing on their offhand. Pilut hasn't even played in the NHL, nevermind attempting to do that on his opposite side. 

If Pilut isn't the guy stepping up, it's Nelson. While he is a right shot, I don't have that much confidence in his ability to solidify a pairing with either Beaulieu or Pilut, at least not a pairing that'll be able to shelter Dahlin in any significant capacity, or limit Scandy and Risto's minutes. 

Botterill gets high marks for attempting to address several positions this offseason, but his inability to (or choice not to) address the right side of the defence remains a head-scratcher. 

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

The perception seemed to be that the starting 6 was going to look like:

Scandella - Ristolainen

Dahlin - McCabe 

Beaulieu - Bogosian 

If Bogosian is out, and Pilut takes his spot, we are looking awfully thin on the right side, 2/3rds of which is then playing on their offhand. Pilut hasn't even played in the NHL, nevermind attempting to do that on his opposite side. 

If Pilut isn't the guy stepping up, it's Nelson. While he is a right shot, I don't have that much confidence in his ability to solidify a pairing with either Beaulieu or Pilut, at least not a pairing that'll be able to shelter Dahlin in any significant capacity, or limit Scandy and Risto's minutes. 

Botterill gets high marks for attempting to address several positions this offseason, but his inability to (or choice not to) address the right side of the defence remains a head-scratcher. 

That was the perception, but the reality is Botterill & Housley view Bogosian as a top 4 guy.  So, the reality was Beaulieu was getting pencilled in there as well.  IMHO.

Unless Nathan was also injured it appears they've finally figured out that he's not top 4 & that he's too much of a turnover machine to pair with a rookie Dahlin.

So, now w/ no Bogosian, they have to figure out a new top 6 (which, again, I'm hoping Nelson played his way into) which until Hunwick is ready has to include either bumping Dahlin up beyond what he's ready for or Beaulieu (who never will be ready for top 4, unless he has a mid-20's Campbell-like epiphany), or giving Pilut a shot.

1 season from now Bogosian can be an afterthought/luxury (20 game/yr 4th/5th D-man).  Unfortunately, at this moment, he's a necessity & a non-available one at that.

REALLY hoping that the plan wasn't secretly to be bad in '18 & then good in '19 cashing in on extra draft capital that the team wouldn't have obtained w/ a better plan A than NoGo will be good for 65+ games.

[Thorny]

19 minutes ago, Taro T said:

That was the perception, but the reality is Botterill & Housley view Bogosian as a top 4 guy.  So, the reality was Beaulieu was getting pencilled in there as well.  IMHO.

Unless Nathan was also injured it appears they've finally figured out that he's not top 4 & that he's too much of a turnover machine to pair with a rookie Dahlin.

So, now w/ no Bogosian, they have to figure out a new top 6 (which, again, I'm hoping Nelson played his way into) which until Hunwick is ready has to include either bumping Dahlin up beyond what he's ready for or Beaulieu (who never will be ready for top 4, unless he has a mid-20's Campbell-like epiphany), or giving Pilut a shot.

1 season from now Bogosian can be an afterthought/luxury (20 game/yr 4th/5th D-man).  Unfortunately, at this moment, he's a necessity & a non-available one at that.

REALLY hoping that the plan wasn't secretly to be bad in '18 & then good in '19 cashing in on extra draft capital that the team wouldn't have obtained w/ a better plan A than NoGo will be good for 65+ games.

This is also what I am afraid of. I have previously dismissed this notion outright, but the decision by Botterill to count on Bogosian like you said, is such a head scratcher of a move that I'm tempted to open that door again. It's hard to find reasons to explain it away.

[nfreeman]

I think they were hoping that Bogo would be healthy, but not counting on it.  That would've been nuts.

I think they thought their top 4 would be some combo of Risto, Scandy, Dahlin and McCabe, with the other 2 coming from some combo of when-available Bogo, Nelson, Hunwick and Beaulieu, with Guhle and Pilut pushing from Rochester.

At this point, with Bogo and Hunwick out, I think I'd prefer a 3rd pair of Nelson and Pilut, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them start with Nelson and Beaulieu.

[dudacek]

So, Bogo’s injury is not related to his surgery?

[darksabre]

26 minutes ago, dudacek said:

So, Bogo’s injury is not related to his surgery?

Nope. Per Joe Yerdon on Twitter yesterday.

[Randall Flagg]

59 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

I think they were hoping that Bogo would be healthy, but not counting on it.  That would've been nuts.

I think they thought their top 4 would be some combo of Risto, Scandy, Dahlin and McCabe, with the other 2 coming from some combo of when-available Bogo, Nelson, Hunwick and Beaulieu, with Guhle and Pilut pushing from Rochester.

At this point, with Bogo and Hunwick out, I think I'd prefer a 3rd pair of Nelson and Pilut, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them start with Nelson and Beaulieu.

I kinda think they were counting on it. Whenever Botterill was asked about his defense, his default answer was that they were "looking forward to Bogosian being healthy again." Because the press, and us, were rightly concerned about the only actual change in the organizational defense, aside from a couple of 7Ds leaving and being replaced by same-ability 7Ds, was an 18 year old draft pick.