That Aud Smell Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 It was definitely a reasonable conclusion. However, I think what Taylor gave last year is the wrong baseline. The baseline should have been what Taylor is capable of doing in an offense built with his strengths in mind and with weapons to match. I don't think replacing that production is quite so simple. I also (reasonably, IMO) believe that going into the year with McCarron as starter is probably Plan K. I'm on board with this. It's part of why I hold out the possibility that Taylor does some stuff for Cleveland this coming season. The offence they made him run last year with Dennison was ridiculous -- for Taylor, specifically. It got a bit better as the season went on, but largely remained an exercise in futility. So dumb. And that is partly why I get nervous about the idea of the team picking a guy like Lamar Jackson. It's possible that he could be terrific in the NFL -- but he is going to need a friendly scheme/system, IMO. So many OC's insist that the players fit the scheme, not the other way around. I still can't spell or say the name of the Bills' new OC -- but I'll say I have no idea what he's apt to do with a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 At the moment, my first choice is for a trade-up for one of the top 4 franchise QB's (Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen, Allen in that order). But I also don't want the Giants or Browns to anally rape us in a trade. My second choice would be Lamar Jackson with one of our first round picks. Jackson's biggest problem is accuracy I feel like Allen's accuracy (56.2% completion, worse than Jackson btw, more so when including PFF's adjusted completion %) prevents him from being a franchise QB in today's game (though Kurt Warner was only 58.4% as a college starter and went on to 65.5% in the NFL). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) I feel like Allen's accuracy (56.2% completion, worse than Jackson btw, more so when including PFF's adjusted completion %) prevents him from being a franchise QB in today's game (though Kurt Warner was only 58.4% as a college starter and went on to 65.5% in the NFL). AGAIN. The guy couldn't master the MWC. And people want him as an NFL starter. Geez. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but everything says "don't pick this kid early." Edited March 19, 2018 by Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 AGAIN. The guy couldn't master the MWC. And people want him as an NFL starter. Geez. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but everything says "don't pick this kid early." Going back to my point about Warner, he wasn't even in an FBS conference and still only had a 58.4% completion. There's always a chance Allen could do quite well, but like you I just...doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) Going back to my point about Warner, he wasn't even in an FBS conference and still only had a 58.4% completion. There's always a chance Allen could do quite well, but like you I just...doubt it. Warner was Division 1-A when he played. So in what we would today call an FBS conference. He also spent a lot of time percolating elsewhere. He wasn't a first round pick. He wasn't even A pick. Dig? Edited March 19, 2018 by Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Warner was Division 1-A when he played. So in what we would today call an FBS conference. He also spent a lot of time percolating elsewhere. He wasn't a first round pick. He wasn't even A pick. Dig? He was Division 1-AA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Northern_Iowa_Panthers_football_team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 And a grocery clerk when he got the call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 I’d wager -$1500 that Allen will wash out of the NFL without amounting to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 He was Division 1-AA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Northern_Iowa_Panthers_football_team Thought he was with N. Iowa during their MVC days. I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Shannon's +/- Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Haven't written him off, though haven't bought in yet either, but REALLY HATE that the highest floor of any of the guys we expect to see in training camp is "capabale backup" when the Bills had a floor of legit, but flawed, starter on the roster. I guess I view a flawed starter who gets you to 7-9 wins as the worst case scenario. Flunking out with a 2 win starter takes away the trading up narrative. From a pure value perspective, Mccarron at 5M is way more palatable than Tyrod at 17M. Only issue is I think he's in the same boat. 6 to 9 wins. Good enough to keep you on the outside looking in. For the playoffs and the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 I would never, ever, profess to knowing crap about football. Yet, it seems like Bills fans got so used to crappy QBs like Losman, Johnson, Manuel, etc for so long, that everyone was content with a lackluster QB in Tyrod. Good for the Bills at taking a chance on something better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Bills sign Marshell Newhouse and Russell Bodine, two depth linemen. The thought is, these are two depth lineman we now don't have to draft; we're trading later round picks. There is also this rumor floating about right now @incarceratedbob Follow Follow @incarceratedbob More **UPDATED NFL RUMORS** Source: Bills made offer to move up to #2 overall 2018 #NFLDraft 1st proposal made #Bills to #Giants 2018 1st Rd (#12 overall) 2018 1st Rd (#22 overall) 2018 2nd Rd (#53 overall) 2018 3rd Rd (#65) 2019 2nd Rd Giants likely will counter but talks are on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Bills sign Marshell Newhouse and Russell Bodine, two depth linemen. The thought is, these are two depth lineman we now don't have to draft; we're trading later round picks. There is also this rumor floating about right now @incarceratedbob Follow Follow @incarceratedbob More **UPDATED NFL RUMORS** Source: Bills made offer to move up to #2 overall 2018 #NFLDraft 1st proposal made #Bills to #Giants 2018 1st Rd (#12 overall) 2018 1st Rd (#22 overall) 2018 2nd Rd (#53 overall) 2018 3rd Rd (#65) 2019 2nd Rd Giants likely will counter but talks are on! This isn't a rumor. It is a stolen tweet from Sal Capaccio being turned into a rumor. Sal Capaccio Verified account @SalSports Mar 17More If you want to use the draft value chart to compare, the Jets paid 2940 for 2200. Bills picks 12, 22, 53, 65, and next year's 2nd would be worth about 3000. (2nd pick is 2600). Bills would have No. 2 and still hold a 2nd and 3rd this year. Everyone needs to check your sources so I don't have to come out of exile for anything other than the Sabres Draft. Edited March 20, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Bills sign Marshell Newhouse and Russell Bodine, two depth linemen. The thought is, these are two depth lineman we now don't have to draft; we're trading later round picks. There is also this rumor floating about right now @incarceratedbob Follow Follow @incarceratedbob More **UPDATED NFL RUMORS** Source: Bills made offer to move up to #2 overall 2018 #NFLDraft 1st proposal made #Bills to #Giants 2018 1st Rd (#12 overall) 2018 1st Rd (#22 overall) 2018 2nd Rd (#53 overall) 2018 3rd Rd (#65) 2019 2nd Rd Giants likely will counter but talks are on! I want(ed) to believe Incarcerated Bob knows stuff, but that purported offer is so off (low) in comparison to what the Jets gave up that I can't credit it a bit. I know that teams will negotiate, and I know how negotiations work. But as an opening offer, it just seems like a non-starter, given how the market's been set. This isn't a rumor. It is a stolen tweet from Sal Capaccio being turned into a rumor. Sal Capaccio Verified account @SalSports Mar 17More If you want to use the draft value chart to compare, the Jets paid 2940 for 2200. Bills picks 12, 22, 53, 65, and next year's 2nd would be worth about 3000. (2nd pick is 2600). Bills would have No. 2 and still hold a 2nd and 3rd this year. Everyone needs to check your sources so I don't have to come out of exile for anything other than the Sabres Draft. Hmm. That math does check out, though. Maybe that gets it done, or close to it? (I just don't think the Giants move.) Edited March 20, 2018 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Lets work a deal to get in front of the Dolphins, keep most of our picks, draft Rudolph and move on. Odds are Mason will be as good as anyone drafted in front of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted March 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Lets work a deal to get in front of the Dolphins, keep most of our picks, draft Rudolph and move on. Odds are Mason will be as good as anyone drafted in front of him. If we're going to move up for a QB from where we are it better be for Baker or Rosen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Lets work a deal to get in front of the Dolphins, keep most of our picks, draft Rudolph and move on. Odds are Mason will be as good as anyone drafted in front of him. Rudolph has a terrible arm. He screams Ryan Mallett. Meh, no thanks. This is one case I'd take Lamar Jackson over him. Rosen is the only QB that I'd bet anything on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Rudolph has a terrible arm. He screams Ryan Mallett. Meh, no thanks. This is one case I'd take Lamar Jackson over him. Rosen is the only QB that I'd bet anything on. And he is probably one hit away from turning his brain into applesauce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 And he is probably one hit away from turning his brain into applesauce. Aren't they all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Aren't they all? Fair enough, but had some concussions already so a bit more in danger for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Fair enough, but had some concussions already so a bit more in danger for that. So you're saying Rosen has.... [puts sunglasses on] ...a head start. (YEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Zay Jones Arrested Warning Video contains nudity http://www.tmz.com/2018/03/20/zay-jones-arrested-nude-smashed-window-vandalism-buffalo-bills-player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) So WR in the first right...:unsure: Edited March 21, 2018 by inkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Jesus, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 It's not that I wouldn't laugh given the Bills past arrest scenarios with naked players, but this kid needs real help. If it's drugs, or otherwise, just get him help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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