Drunkard Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 Right. He was drafted to be a franchise centre, and is going to be paid like one, so 62 points in that sense isn't good enough. But technically that argument would be better suited for next season, once his contract kicks in, if he's still producing like this. Definitely. Although I'd argue he's lucky he signed before the season. I think he'd be getting closer to $8 million if we had waited. On the plus side we should be able to extend Reinhart for peanuts. Nylander will likely be dirt cheap too, although he still has another year to get his head on straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 Maybe this game, or the one after that ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 When he gets his head on straight and gets Erod as his winger. how about CJ Smith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) how about CJ Smith?Victor Olofsson? I think Jack's problem is in his head. He doesn't have that maturity that comes with age. Edited December 15, 2017 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 I think Jacks problem is that the teams PP sucks. He is actually scoring at a higher rate 5x5 this season than last season. How is it possible that he has 3 PP points all season? who is the PP coach now? what team did the guy go who coached them last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 I think Jacks problem is that the teams PP sucks. He is actually scoring at a higher rate 5x5 this season than last season. How is it possible that he has 3 PP points all season? who is the PP coach now? what team did the guy go who coached them last year? Jack isn't simply a casualty of a bad powerplay. He's a big factor in why the PP has been so poor. There are other factors of course, but he definitely owns a part in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 Yep! :D First career hatty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 This counts right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 Now Yep! :D First career hatty! This counts right? Yes, but we still found a way to lose (while Jack was on the ice). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 Yes, but we still found a way to lose (while Jack was on the ice). Yep. Clearly Eichel will never be a franchise player. Why the #### didn't he score a 4th goal? McClavicle would've. Your avatar would've. <_< Have a Merry Christmas, all. 2018 has to be better than 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 First in what? 6 yrs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 I'd still count it as a breakout performance even though they lost. He was phenomenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 Eichel is now on pace for a 70 point season, at 21 years old on the second worst team in the NHL. That's pretty darn good. He's going to be a superstar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 I'd still count it as a breakout performance even though they lost. He was phenomenal. I liked the effort from him. I think he's still making mistakes that the coaches next to work on him with, but the effort was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) 11 shots last night for Eichel?! Hope he continues to "hog" the puck! Eichel has been fun to watch lately. Edited December 16, 2017 by GoPre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 First in what? 6 yrs? Reinhart had one at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 First in what? 6 yrs? At home I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) I wouldn't rule out Eichel becoming as impactful as a guy like Stamkos. Didn't Stamkos have a start to his career similar to Eichel? Agree on the others. It's all perspective. Separate Eichel's season from expectations and that coming 10 million dollar contract. His current season pace is 21 goals, 41 assists, and 62 points. That's a good season. Relative to what we thought we'd be getting from Jack this season, it's not. So in actuality I view his season so far as somewhere in between. You made me look. Stamkos had 46 points as a rookie. Stamkos had 232 at the end of his 3rd year. Essentially 3 full seasons (he missed 3 games as a rookie). 119 goals;113 assists. Stamkos was .955 PPG Jack is .806 PPG Translates to a 12 point difference per season. They live in the same subdivision. Stamkos has the better, bigger, fancier home. Lastly, Stamkos blossomed noticeably in years 2 and 3. Data, no conclusion. To add: “Best since Crosby, excluding McDavid” language put him ahead of Kane, Tavares and Stamkos, among others, in the eyes of experts. I’d say Stamkos had an organizational readiness advantage. Time will tell ... Edited December 16, 2017 by neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) I'd still count it as a breakout performance even though they lost. He was phenomenal.Agree, but losing on Jack’s breakout performance sums up the Sabres season and team in a nutshell. I don’t think Stamkos is really the right comparison to Jack. Matthews and Stamkos seem like a closer comparison based on type of game. I compare Jack to Tavares. Johnny T is similar size and can either be a scorer or playmaker. His first 3 years were 54, 67 and 81 pts. With 84 goals and 118 assists for 202 pts in 243 games. (.35 g/gp and .83 pts per game). For his career, Tavares scores at .41 g/gp and .93 p/gp. Jack’s seasons so far 56, 57 (in 61 games), and 28 (33 games) with 59 goals, 82 assists for 141 pts in 175 games (.34g/gp and .81 pts per game). Lets hope Jack produces at least as well with Johnny T. Edited December 16, 2017 by Georgia Flakt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedesessed Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 I wouldnt be upset whatsoever if Jack is similar to John Tavares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 Motivation for Jack's success? https://www.instagram.com/p/BcvapJVnDD0/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted December 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 Motivation for Jack's success? https://www.instagram.com/p/BcvapJVnDD0/ Or reason for being distracted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 Agree, but losing on Jack’s breakout performance sums up the Sabres season and team in a nutshell. I don’t think Stamkos is really the right comparison to Jack. Matthews and Stamkos seem like a closer comparison based on type of game. I compare Jack to Tavares. Johnny T is similar size and can either be a scorer or playmaker. His first 3 years were 54, 67 and 81 pts. With 84 goals and 118 assists for 202 pts in 243 games. (.35 g/gp and .83 pts per game). For his career, Tavares scores at .41 g/gp and .93 p/gp. Jack’s seasons so far 56, 57 (in 61 games), and 28 (33 games) with 59 goals, 82 assists for 141 pts in 175 games (.34g/gp and .81 pts per game). Lets hope Jack produces at least as well with Johnny T. I agree about which players are more similar. I read the original post as going to impact which, to me, is more important. I’d now be happy with Tavares. This is a lowered expectation. As I’ve said, it’s early. I’m a little surprised on the lowered ceiling at this point. I am by no means ruling out a higher one. The kid landed into a fire drill with unmarked exits and he’s not a fire marshall. I want a 45/55/100 player. He’ll need time and help. Shoot, Jack, shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 First in what? 6 yrs? Reinhart had one at some point As did Risto, but both were on the road. So ... At home I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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