3putt Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Right. And I've admitted that in multiple posts prior to this In the situation of elite talents hitting the RFA market, he is the only one of those I named. And in that case, he was not extended an offer sheet But his situation is illuminating in light of Jack's. Holmgren and the Flyers were on the verge of offering him a sheet. Yzerman told the league it doesn't matter we will match any offer. Stamkos agent used that to leverage his deal. The idea being discussed up thread that Jack has no leverage would seem not to be accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 No. He already thinks he's McDavid's peer. He has said things in the past that indicated that his belief in himself, and his goal, was to match and exceed McDavid. And I'm not against that. A healthy ego is necessary to be a top performer. But I never got the sense that he's happy here. Why should he be? The team has been stepping on its own schlong since he's been here. He also said he hasn't done anything yet, so he has a lot to prove. He certainly has a healthy belief in his abilities, but he also recognizes he hasn't accomplished anything yet. That said, if we're one year from today and he's still not signed, then I'll worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 It's amazing how much changed with 8 minutes remaining in that final practice before last season. Not only did that ankle injury completely change the complexion of the season, it's very likely Eichel is signed today after a second full season under his belt, like almost all players of his quality are, without it happening. I wonder how much more fallout there is still to come. --- Eichel #5 on NHL.com's Fantasy Center list for this coming season: https://twitter.com/nhl/status/905250458251386880 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted September 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) But his situation is illuminating in light of Jack's. Holmgren and the Flyers were on the verge of offering him a sheet. Yzerman told the league it doesn't matter we will match any offer. Stamkos agent used that to leverage his deal. The idea being discussed up thread that Jack has no leverage would seem not to be accurate. Holmgren and the Flyers were on the verge of offering Stamkos a sheet? I've already conceded Jack has leverage in that scenario. I just believe that scenario to be very, very remote. Edit: Worst case scenario is what? A team offers Jack a 4 year deal, we match it, and he comes back just like Stamkos did Edited September 6, 2017 by WildCard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Wildcard- you've gone back and forth with me quite a bit, yet I'm not sure if you realize I never thought Jack would get an offer sheet. I was just explaining why Jack had leverage- because the possibility of an offer sheet exists. Now you admit Jack has leverage, but let's not forget, this happened: In general he really has no leverage at all. Edited September 6, 2017 by ericcomposer72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted September 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Wildcard- you've gone back and forth with me quite a bit, yet I'm not sure if you realize I never thought Jack would get an offer sheet. I was just explaining why Jack had leverage, because the possibility of an offer sheet exists. Now you admit Jack has leverage, but let's not forget, this happened: I'm not forgetting that at all. I said after that post that I misinterpreted your reasoning for leverage. I've maintained he has no leverage to leave teams, but he does have leverage to gain a better contract. I'm getting the feeling you think I don't know what I'm talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I've maintained he has no leverage to leave teams, Which was never part of the conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted September 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Which was never part of the conversation Again, like in the post I said above, I have already said I misinterpreted your original post. We've moved on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Personally I blame Paul Hamilton as the only reason Jack isn't signed yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Okay, where did you get the "sense" that he doesn't want to be here? Man this is typical idiotic sports fan talk. And this is pretty obnoxious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Okay, where did you get the "sense" that he doesn't want to be here? Man this is typical idiotic sports fan talk. It could be just inexperience with giving interviews, or it could be that he just doesn't want to talk to (Buffalo) media, but it seems like he never makes eye contact in interviews. The body language is that he really doesn't want to be here. Whether "here" means just the interview, or the city, it's hard to say. But aside from the usual platitudes he doesn't seem very enthusiastic. Of course it could be simply ego and ambition combined with frustration over his first couple seasons, but he doesn't strike me as a happy camper. But if the Sabres continue to stumble as a team, he's gonna want out I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted September 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Personally I blame Paul Hamilton as the only reason Jack isn't signed yet. I blame McDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Since 2007, there have been 7 offer sheets, and only Dustin Penner from Anaheim to Edmonton was accepted (2007) for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in 2008. Quick, let's play a game and name them all off the top of my head: Penner Vanek Bernier Backes Weber Hjalmarson O'Reilly (I love the story behind this screwup) Kessler Why am I getting 8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted September 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Quick, let's play a game and name them all off the top of my head: Penner Vanek Bernier Backes Weber Hjalmarson O'Reilly (I love the story behind this screwup) Kessler Why am I getting 8? Kessler happened in 2006 ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Kessler happened in 2006 ;) Why would you start with the year after the lockout? Your arbitrary cutoffs are going to destroy the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 What if, and just follow me here, Jack Eichel loves playing in Buffalo. He loves the city and the fans. He thinks his team is going in the right direction now. He thinks he is worth 11million. He tells his agent that who tell Botterill. Botterill says he isn't yet sure of that. Jack understands due to his injury shortened season and says, no worries I will prove that I am worth that. Botterill says sounds great we can always talk. Agent obviously helps relay all this to Jack. Everyone is understanding and is fine waiting for things to play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 What if, and just follow me here, Jack Eichel loves playing in Buffalo. He loves the city and the fans. He thinks his team is going in the right direction now. He thinks he is worth 11million. He tells his agent that who tell Botterill. Botterill says he isn't yet sure of that. Jack understands due to his injury shortened season and says, no worries I will prove that I am worth that. Botterill says sounds great we can always talk. Agent obviously helps relay all this to Jack. Everyone is understanding and is fine waiting for things to play out. Thanks Liger. This is the take I'm following. Positive thoughts , positive outcomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Thanks Liger. This is the take I'm following. Positive thoughts , positive outcomes. I just figure everyone involved is a mature adult and if Botterill and Jack/Agent have communicated properly this is a very logical outcome where everyone is on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 What if, and just follow me here, Jack Eichel loves playing in Buffalo. He loves the city and the fans. He thinks his team is going in the right direction now. He thinks he is worth 11million. He tells his agent that who tell Botterill. Botterill says he isn't yet sure of that. Jack understands due to his injury shortened season and says, no worries I will prove that I am worth that. Botterill says sounds great we can always talk. Agent obviously helps relay all this to Jack. Everyone is understanding and is fine waiting for things to play out. This is basically what I'm envisioning as well. I think the situation is a lot more relaxed than people are making it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 ....and it could very well be that. But if it is a mismatch, JBot does all he can to maximize the return and the Sabres still come out doing very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Or eichel outscores McD and then he gets his 13-14 million and we're still happy, because if that happens, we are a legit threat the the east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted September 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Why would you start with the year after the lockout? Your arbitrary cutoffs are going to destroy the world. :lol: What if, and just follow me here, Jack Eichel loves playing in Buffalo. He loves the city and the fans. He thinks his team is going in the right direction now. He thinks he is worth 11million. He tells his agent that who tell Botterill. Botterill says he isn't yet sure of that. Jack understands due to his injury shortened season and says, no worries I will prove that I am worth that. Botterill says sounds great we can always talk. Agent obviously helps relay all this to Jack. Everyone is understanding and is fine waiting for things to play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABRES02138 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I am concerned Jack will not extend his contract. I am friends with guys that play/practice with Jack here in the Boston area and more than one have shared that he is not interested in extending his contract with the Sabres. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) I am concerned Jack will not extend his contract. I am friends with guys that play/practice with Jack here in the Boston area and more than one have shared that he is not interested in extending his contract with the Sabres. Thoughts? I think Jack is a liar and only the friends of your friends know the real truth. Jack hates Buffalo, the Sabres and everything ever associated with the city and writes about it extensively in his diary. Look at the way he rolls his eyes at a leading Paul Hamilton question or seems grumpy after a loss. It's all the proof you need. The talk of an extension is a charade being played out by Russ Brandon for the benefit of the bottom line. Because Buffalo. Edited September 6, 2017 by dudacek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted September 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I am concerned Jack will not extend his contract. I am friends with guys that play/practice with Jack here in the Boston area and more than one have shared that he is not interested in extending his contract with the Sabres. Thoughts? In general or...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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